New Turbo Coupe Honda S2000

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

If it's hybrid then it simply can't be a manual. No way for it to be.

Honda's first hybrid came with a standard. The 1st gen Insight.

I know this because I've always wanted one, mostly out of masochism but I browse craigslist for them every month or so.

[zigzagz94]

I'm more interested in this than the new NSX that's been recently spotted at the ring

[Levi]

Originally Posted by zigzagz94

I'm more interested in this than the new NSX that's been recently spotted at the ring

Sure, different price range, NSX will be priced 100K-150K. But S2000 replacement is not a real one, having a mid-rear transversal engine layout. Mid-front I'm all for it.

[MokSpeed]

Nothing can fix how hideous Hondas have become.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Levi

Sure, different price range, NSX will be priced 100K-150K. But S2000 replacement is not a real one, having a mid-rear transversal engine layout. Mid-front I'm all for it.

Why? Mid-rear is superior. I'm perfectly content with the new s2000 being a turbo baby-NSX and not an FR roadster.

[blackhawkdown]

[rice_classic]

I wish Honda would pay closer attention to what Mazda is doing.



oh yeah, and the Twins.

[zigzagz94]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

I'm perfectly content with the new s2000 being a turbo baby-NSX and not an FR roadster.

This. I'm more interested in these rumors of the new S2000 because, probably like most people on this forum, I might be able to afford a 35-50k turbo baby-NSX but will never be able to afford the full size version that costs almost as much as my house.


I get it that S2000 purists don't want that moniker placed on a baby NSX because it has nothing in common with the original, but I don't really care what they call it as long as it get's built.


They could just as easily bring back the Prelude name for this car....wasn't that their sporty coupe with all the high tech goodies like 4 wheel steering and later super handling (SH) models?

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by zigzagz94

This. I'm more interested in these rumors of the new S2000 because, probably like most people on this forum, I might be able to afford a 35-50k turbo baby-NSX but will never be able to afford the full size version that costs almost as much as my house.


I get it that S2000 purists don't want that moniker placed on a baby NSX because it has nothing in common with the original, but I don't really care what they call it as long as it get's built.


They could just as easily bring back the Prelude name for this car....wasn't that their sporty coupe with all the high tech goodies like 4 wheel steering and later super handling (SH) models?

I love my S2000, and I love the NSX. They are both unique and have amazing handling, as I'm sure this will. I don't love that a good S2000 hardtop costs $4,000. This would fix that, and it gets a turbo! I suspect the price tag will end up being the only thing not to like. haha. A really serious mid-engined sports car coupe with razor sharp handling would be PERFECT right now.

[Levi]

There are many mid-rear sports cars, very few mid-front. Mid-front is superior when well built. Ex: S2000, LFA.

[Superhatch]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

I wish Honda would pay closer attention to what Mazda is doing.



oh yeah, and the Twins.

I think Honda is looking to the future. More specifically they want to be moving towards what they think will be the future. Remember when the NSX was rumored to be a hybrid and we all freaked out? Then Porsche and McLaren came out with devastatingly awesome hybrids and we all collectively "ooooo"'ed? I think Honda has been ahead of it's time for a very long time. Subaru and Toyota basically made a cheaper, hardtop S2000 15 years after Honda released their lightweight roadster. Prior to that they were making econo-boxes and Type R versions that were being converted to track cars like nothing else save the Miata. Until these cars (the NSX and S3000) are put through their paces I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

You also forget that the new Civic Type R is being hailed as an amazing FWD 5 door hatch. I'd be willing to bet that the high revving turbo vtec motor in that car is a testing ground for what is to come from Honda. Honda US might suck, but they have been making good things around the world this whole time.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Levi

There are many mid-rear sports cars, very few mid-front. Mid-front is superior when well built. Ex: S2000, LFA.

Mid-front is fairly common, isn't it? Aren't Corvettes and even the 350z/370z front-midships?

I was always under the impression that front-mid > front, but true mid-engine cars > front-mid...

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Superhatch

I think Honda is looking to the future. More specifically they want to be moving towards what they think will be the future. Remember when the NSX was rumored to be a hybrid and we all freaked out? Then Porsche and McLaren came out with devastatingly awesome hybrids and we all collectively "ooooo"'ed? I think Honda has been ahead of it's time for a very long time. Subaru and Toyota basically made a cheaper, hardtop S2000 15 years after Honda released their lightweight roadster. Prior to that they were making econo-boxes and Type R versions that were being converted to track cars like nothing else save the Miata. Until these cars (the NSX and S3000) are put through their paces I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

You also forget that the new Civic Type R is being hailed as an amazing FWD 5 door hatch. I'd be willing to bet that the high revving turbo vtec motor in that car is a testing ground for what is to come from Honda. Honda US might suck, but they have been making good things around the world this whole time.

Eh. Even Honda Execs have said they have no interest in ever making a car like the ITR/S2K again because they don't make financial sense. The twins and others have changed that direction a little as this year in talking with some Honda execs/HPD guys there were hints that there will be something in the future of interest but it's not clear what it will be yet.


Knowing Honda, I don't expect much (although I hope I'm wrong). And I'm still anti Hybrid for the NSX, P-Cars, etc.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by Superhatch

Remember when the NSX was rumored to be a hybrid and we all freaked out? Then Porsche and McLaren came out with devastatingly awesome hybrids and we all collectively "ooooo"'ed? I think Honda has been ahead of it's time for a very long time.

I didn't ooooo and ahhhh at the LaFerrari or the 918 or the P1. I saw the performance figures and I saw the price tag and I thought: "Well, that adds up.. with a price like that it better perform like that." There's no magic, it's only calculus. If broaching the limits of technology = oooohhs and aaaahhs, then the Driverless Google car really ought to get enthusiasts excited...

Rewind to 1990; what made us oooh and aaaah for the NSX was that it was "attainable" by the common man yet it outclassed just about everything save the F40. The sum of the parts exceeded the calculus. It punched way above its price tag. Today, the car that achieves that goal isn't made by Honda, it's made by Nissan; the GTR. The original NSX was also dead nuts reliable, easy to work on and could be driven around town in comfort. Ain't nobody doing that with a F40 or Diablo.

I just don't think Honda is going to deliver that a second time. Why? Economics and physics. The economics of the advanced technologies won't allow Honda to repeat what they did with the original and the technology of today (and tomorrow) puts everything already at the limits of physics that there's really no more huge gains to be had. Everyone has already exceeded, to a degree, what the tire touching the pavement can do and beyond that there just ain't much more.

Deliver a new NSX at or under 100k that's Accord reliable while performing close to the current top supercars. Then I'll ooooohhh and aaaaaahhh like I did in the early 90's.

Originally Posted by Superhatch

You also forget that the new Civic Type R is being hailed as an amazing FWD 5 door hatch. I'd be willing to bet that the high revving turbo vtec motor in that car is a testing ground for what is to come from Honda. Honda US might suck, but they have been making good things around the world this whole time.

We don't need the exotic Type Rs, we just need their normal cars to have some performance in their soul, instead of 3000lb boats with MacPherson struts. I still think an S2000 coupe with 4 seats @ $30k would have been a winner.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

The twins and others have changed that direction a little as this year in talking with some Honda execs/HPD guys there were hints that there will be something in the future of interest but it's not clear what it will be yet.

They need to stop measuring their wangs at the Nordschleife and just get back to basics before their fan base completely dries up and their only selling point is: "Yeah, we know it's ugly and boring, by hey.. it's reliable!"