Tomei UEL vs HKS/Tomei EL headers for gains - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Decay107 · 12-18-2016, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by max20s14

good find. So is it possible the Tomei UEL outclasses the HKS and the Tomei EL?

That seems to be the case here. The collector on the Tomei/Gruppes/OFT's latest design(?) UEL's is art.

If there was a way for me to get the same performance without my car sounding like a Subaru, I'd do it. Unfortunately I haven't seen anything that does for a similar price.

Calvin27 · 12-18-2016, 06:01 PM

Damn, this thread did it and just ordered a the Tomei UEL.

john5757 · 12-18-2016, 09:31 PM

The boxer rumble alone is worth it in my opinion

max20s14 · 12-18-2016, 11:52 PM

Seems the EL vs UEL debate is heated.

Is there a consensus that the Tomei/Gruppe-s/OFH3 style header is better than the non- long tube design like Tomei EL, HKS, OEM style headers?

Lantana frs · 12-19-2016, 12:04 AM

Im thinking about the gruppe s myself. I know that a long tube el even with an ots tune transforms the car but I'll probably go with a more affordable uel. At least it'll make up what I lose on a hot Florida day.

Jonsey · 12-19-2016, 10:48 AM

Not at all.

solidONE · 12-19-2016, 09:06 PM

Dont see where the 'debate' is. There are numerous dyno plots available for many of the headers. It's basically pick your price range and pick which shape torque curve your prefer.

max20s14 · 12-19-2016, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by solidONE

Dont see where the 'debate' is. There are numerous dyno plots available for many of the headers. It's basically pick your price range and pick which shape torque curve your prefer.

I am trying to decide which is best in the 5-700 range...

The Tomei UEL shows results with similar peak HP to at least the HKS one I was considering... I think... Mabe..

and its hard to find both Tomei headers compared on the same dyno besides from Tomei themselves..

and alot of people seem to disagree as to which is better...

I dont want sound to be the deciding factor..

solidONE · 12-19-2016, 09:36 PM

The headers in that range all produce similar peak numbers coupled with a good tune. The main difference is the torque around 3000~4500rpm. If you still cant decide, I'd suggest finding people with the setups you're considering and test or ride along to get a feel for it. A car meet or something. Good luck.

Dr. BRZ · 12-19-2016, 10:44 PM

just stick to the basics, EL give more high end power and uel give low end power/rumble sound. if you race randomly on the street when a car pulls up to you, you want EL to get more power in the high end. a tune can mostly fix the torque dip on the EL.

max20s14 · 12-20-2016, 10:36 AM

If anyone has done dyno's with the Tomei EL that would be helpful. Even better if its on OFT stage 2.

empower-auto · 12-20-2016, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by troek

HKS is making an overpipe now? Its not on either of their sites.

It's on their Japan site

Dr. BRZ · 12-20-2016, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by max20s14

If anyone has done dyno's with the Tomei EL that would be helpful. Even better if its on OFT stage 2.

im on their EL with oft stage 2 e85 tune. i can beat stock 2015/2016 wrx times at the drag strip.

max20s14 · 12-20-2016, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. BRZ

im on their EL with oft stage 2 e85 tune. i can beat stock 2015/2016 wrx times at the drag strip.

whats your time?

12-18-2016, 09:31 PM	#17
john5757 Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Drives: imaginary brz Location: canada Posts: 24 Thanks: 4 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The boxer rumble alone is worth it in my opinion __________________ Car Detailed

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Jonsey Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Drives: 2013 FR-S Location: DFW Posts: 272 Thanks: 369 Thanked 216 Times in 112 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Not at all. __________________ "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

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solidONE Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: FR-S Whiteout Location: California Posts: 2,863 Thanks: 1,808 Thanked 790 Times in 611 Posts Mentioned: 42 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Dont see where the 'debate' is. There are numerous dyno plots available for many of the headers. It's basically pick your price range and pick which shape torque curve your prefer. __________________ Intent > Content cowardice is the mother of cruelty.

12-19-2016, 09:36 PM	#23
solidONE Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: FR-S Whiteout Location: California Posts: 2,863 Thanks: 1,808 Thanked 790 Times in 611 Posts Mentioned: 42 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The headers in that range all produce similar peak numbers coupled with a good tune. The main difference is the torque around 3000~4500rpm. If you still cant decide, I'd suggest finding people with the setups you're considering and test or ride along to get a feel for it. A car meet or something. Good luck. __________________ Intent > Content cowardice is the mother of cruelty.

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