4th gen ND Mazda MX-5 Miata - Page 78 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

airjonny · 03-03-2018, 12:34 AM

Still prefer the 86 platform. It's a 3 seater in a pinch and I don't have to play Tetris packing golf clubs or groceries. And the lack of body roll is a plus.

Maybe down the line when I can afford to keep 2 cars.

Atropine · 03-03-2018, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by fatoni

That's barely the case before the car is heat soaked and robbed of power but even if it wasn't the case, if that's the metric you're using to measure a car, the miata isn't what you should be looking at.

I drove/almost bought a MazdaSpeed Miata that had the Flyin' Miata stuff done to it and it was super fun, but the car was mis-represented by the dealership (it was def not in good condition, much less mint condition). It was super fun, but it didn't feel like a "Miata" to me.
To be perfectly honest I really enjoy my 1991 British Racing Green one that my Grandfather sold me the most (its been in the family the whole time).

Those MazdaSpeed Miatas could be fun, but they didn't feel like Miatas when tuned (the powerband was really bad).

In my opinion, its hard to have a super light weight Turbo powered car that feels "right". I kinda think a Supercharger is the way to go (I have owned 2 AW-11 MR2 that were S/C). Also the Lotus Exige just felt like it had a bigger motor.

Anyway, TL

R version, the MazdaSpeed Miatas were good on paper, but not great to drive (or at least didn't "feel" like a Miata)

JD001 · 03-03-2018, 03:54 AM

Why not go down this type of route?

https://www.flyinmiata.com/articles/

Or

http://www.bbrgti.com/road-tests/

Since owning my BRZ I have started to understand the 'modding Japanese cars' thing..

Summerwolf · 03-03-2018, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by fatoni

i just think they are worse than a regular miata for most of the things that makes the miata a good choice in the first place. the flyin miata stuff really did wake them up though i must admit. i dont think the mazdaspeed is any faster in a straight line than an nc or nd if i recall correctly either so its not like it transformed the car other than weight and giant ass rims.

Different strokes I guess. After multiple test drives, and having access to an NA with a 1.8 and a turbo kit for a while the MSM is the only miata I would even seek out. It just did everything better when I compared them.

Stock for stock straight line none of them are impressive. The MSM is the only model that doesn't take a ton of money to make any gains though. I know the 17x7s were a big jump for most miata fans, but they weren't giant by any means.

DarkSunrise · 03-03-2018, 10:11 AM

When the ND was first released, I remember reading an interview with a Mazda exec who said that 155 hp was a necessity. To get more peak HP from their 2.0L NA engine, they'd have to sacrifice low/midrange torque which they weren't willing to do.

I wonder if Mazda's hand has now been forced because of lower-than-expected sales? Or have they found a way to increase peak HP without sacrificing the low/midrange?

dutchman1 · 03-03-2018, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OfficeWorker

I wonder if they will do anything to improve visibility. I checked out the Miata before buying the BRZ. I was so freaked out by the poor frontward and rearward visibility, and blind spots that a 747 could hide in, that I test drove it less than a mile before saying I had enough. Neat car, but that in and of itself did me in.

Sounds like you made the grave mistake of leaving the top up whilst you drove

The top is just for keeping the rain and bugs out when parking.

reni · 03-04-2018, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

The 2018 already does

86already · 03-04-2018, 09:47 PM

I read a while ago that Subaru was coming out with an STI version of the BRZ in 2020-2021...should be sweet.

krayzie · 03-05-2018, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 86already

I read a while ago that Subaru was coming out with an STI version of the BRZ in 2020-2021...should be sweet.

Welcome to Feb 2018.

funwheeldrive · 03-05-2018, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by krayzie

Welcome to Feb 2018.

Tuned by STi does not an STi make.

krayzie · 03-05-2018, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Tuned by STi does not an STi make.

You're thinking of STI as a lousy Impreza trim from Fuji Heavy.

tS is made by STI.

https://www.sti.jp/completecar/herit...l/2013/brz-ts/

https://www.sti.jp/completecar/herit...l/2015/brz-ts/

1:04

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Tcoat · 03-05-2018, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by krayzie

You're thinking of STI as a lousy Impreza trim from Fuji Heavy.

A lousy outdated Impreza trim.

WolfpackS2k · 03-05-2018, 01:22 PM

Pretty sure he was kidding guys. Geez

Jordanwolf · 03-05-2018, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Mazda just released the new generation. It's about 4 years out from another update.

"The vehicle was released in the third quarter of 2015"

"In late 2016, a new MX-5 RF (Retractable Fastback) model was announced."

2019 is a very possible date for a revised engine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_...generation_(ND)

03-03-2018, 03:54 AM	#1081
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