Subaru BRZ and Toyota GT86 twins: not the drifter everyone says they are

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by shaX 07

What's really funny about this statement is that nobody who makes it has driven the car either, so how do you know it drives oh so amazing when you haven't even driven it yourself?

He's one of the first 86. Thanks for playing, better luck next time!

[shaX 07]

Originally Posted by titusdrake

A corvette will reach 24 if on freeway cruise control on 65. Which is not what you buy a corvette for. In the same situation a fr s/brz will achieve 35 mpg. News flash, this is a fr-s/brz forum, we post here because we like the car. Saying a vette gets comparable gas mileage is foolish, the fr s while romping around town will easily get 24-25 a REALISTIC mpg figure for the vette is 14-17

No, you're way wrong. Do you really want me to dig up a thread on corvette forums about MPG?

Also did you miss the part where the Z06 weighs 3,118 pounds and has 405hp and runs a 12.8 in the quarter mile, but still achieves 2-3 MPG less than a BRZ? Oh and again it DOESN'T require premium, therefor the difference is totally negligible.

No the point of a z06 is not MPG, but nor is a BRZ. and there's no way in hell a BRZ is getting 35-40 MPG on the highway. I don't care if you set the cruise to 40mph.

[Zgrinch]

Originally Posted by Rabble

Quit feeding the trolls.

If you don't think the car is worth the money, don't buy it.

Truer words have not been spoken. Buy something else and move on, so the forum can be thinned out from the red light HP junkies.

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by shaX 07

Dude are you high? The car is rated at 30MPG, why the hell would it be able to achieve 40 MPG? I'm sure the EPA conducted this test the same way they do the rest-- They drive on the flattest, straightest highway, skipping gears 3 and 5 when shifting and setting the cruise control to 50mph and not stopping until the tank is empty.

And under those conditions apparently the car achieved 30 MPG, which is lousy for a slow 200hp NA car that requires Premium fuel.

Epa was 35 mpg..

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by russv

Drive it and you Will understand

Or he wont.. If you go into something with a poor attitude then you will come out at the end with a poor attitude also.

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

He's one of the first 86. Thanks for playing, better luck next time!

+ 1 shax you obviously will not like or buy a frs/brz so why post here?

[shaX 07]

Originally Posted by titusdrake

Epa was 35 mpg..

30 for the manual, 34 for the auto.

http://www.insideline.com/subaru/brz...and-video.html

As if you're buying this car with an Automatic Transmission.

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by shaX 07

Dude are you high? The car is rated at 30MPG, why the hell would it be able to achieve 40 MPG? I'm sure the EPA conducted this test the same way they do the rest-- They drive on the flattest, straightest highway, skipping gears 3 and 5 when shifting and setting the cruise control to 50mph and not stopping until the tank is empty.

And under those conditions apparently the car achieved 30 MPG, which is lousy for a slow 200hp NA car that requires Premium fuel.

Uhh, no.

EPA tests are done in a laboratory on a set of rollers.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml

And these are the test cycles.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml

If you'll note, they only do 10 highway miles. To give you a idea of how much these tests can be off, my 2007 Legacy GT spec.B is rated at 24mpg highway. On my trips from OH to MA, I regularly average 29mpg.

Does it mean the BRZ will hit 40mpg? I highly doubt the manual could, but the auto might just barely scratch it under ideal conditions. But I'm sure I'll be enjoying 35mpg on my trips in my BRZ.

[shaX 07]

Originally Posted by titusdrake

+ 1 shax you obviously will not like or buy a frs/brz so why post here?

I'm holding out hope for either the TRD Supercharger coming to fruition or a turbo version of either car being released. That would keep me interested.

[mines13]

It should be of note that EVERYTHING shaX_07 has stated to be a negative is an opinion, not a fact. You ignore the quoted EPA rating for the corvette and simply say higher MPG can be achieved in practice, this can be said about ANY vehicle. the EPA qualifications for determining MPG are federally mandated tests, in practice hyper milers achieve vastly superior MPG. Apples to apples, the FR-S gets superior MPG then your (poorly chosen I might add) comparison vehicle. That said, since you refuse to make a point based on anything other then opinion, why waste your time? No one is going to make you buy an FR-S/BRZ at gun point. It's more like you have some sort of hard on for this car and you just cant help but vent your frustrations. You can go ahead and purchase a used Corvette, they are great cars, but far from the scalpel I am after, the FR-S seems to deliver on that promise so far.

[shaX 07]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

Uhh, no.

EPA tests are done in a laboratory on a set of rollers.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml

And these are the test cycles.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml

If you'll note, they only do 10 highway miles. To give you a idea of how much these tests can be off, my 2007 Legacy GT spec.B is rated at 24mpg highway. On my trips from OH to MA, I regularly average 29mpg.

Does it mean the BRZ will hit 40mpg? I highly doubt the manual could, but the auto might just barely scratch it under ideal conditions. But I'm sure I'll be enjoying 35mpg on my trips in my BRZ.

Mmmk well every car is different, and not every single car can achieve above EPA rating for highway MPG. Most can, but many can't, especially cars these days. Almost all of the new econo cars out there that are rated at 40MPG highway (Cruze, Elantra, Focus) only achieve 40 under the most perfect circumstances. Just go to Fuelly and look up some examples.

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by shaX 07

I'm holding out hope for either the TRD Supercharger coming to fruition or a turbo version of either car being released. That would keep me interested.

Trd supercharger is a year away at least, i personally talked to a TRD parts director, they have not begun development yet, they are aiming at 70 hp gain, realistically it will be 55-75 hp and it will cost AT LEAST 4500 on top of the cost of the car.

Greddy states their turbo kit will be ready in 6 minths, unknown power gains and cost.. U can bet at least 5 grand.. And voiding the warranty.. If you dont like the car stock, then you have a few years to wait yet

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by shaX 07

Mmmk well every car is different, and not every single car can achieve above EPA rating for highway MPG. Most can, but many can't, especially cars these days. Almost all of the new econo cars out there that are rated at 40MPG highway (Cruze, Elantra, Focus) only achieve 40 under the most perfect circumstances. Just go to Fuelly and look up some examples.

The whole point of having EPA ratings is to have a scientific, repeatable way to compare fuel economy between cars. Of course there are going to be variances in real world mileage depending on how a person drives, that does not mean the EPA results are invalid. At the end of the day, EPA ratings are the best way we have to compare mileage between two cars, and are infinitely more reliable than anecdotal evidence from some websites. There's a reason they give you 3 numbers, even though most manufacturers only like to brag about the highest one.

[shaX 07]

Originally Posted by mines13

It should be of note that EVERYTHING shaX_07 has stated to be a negative is an opinion, not a fact. You ignore the quoted EPA rating for the corvette and simply say higher MPG can be achieved in practice, this can be said about ANY vehicle. the EPA qualifications for determining MPG are federally mandated tests, in practice hyper milers achieve vastly superior MPG. Apples to apples, the FR-S gets superior MPG then your (poorly chosen I might add) comparison vehicle. That said, since you refuse to make a point based on anything other then opinion, why waste your time? No one is going to make you buy an FR-S/BRZ at gun point. It's more like you have some sort of hard on for this car and you just cant help but vent your frustrations. You can go ahead and purchase a used Corvette, they are great cars, but far from the scalpel I am after, the FR-S seems to deliver on that promise so far.

I accidentally referenced a c6 z06 corvette instead of a c5 z06 corvette. As has been stated many times, the car is just a TAD bit faster than a BRZ. I know you're clinging on to the BRZ's 5 MPG higher EPA rating than a c5 z06, but forget about the 205hp difference, and the 2.5 seconds difference in the quarter mile.

I know I know, the BRZ is not a drag car. I get it. Point being is that if you could add 205hp to the BRZ, and only lose 5 MPG on the highway, you would do it.