Which camber plates are you running?

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by AJ PwR

I am running coil-over setup with adjustable camber plates. I know the Vorshlag added a degree of caster which you cannot adjust, how's the car feel ? Did it improve reducing understeer ? How's the tire wear at the fronts ?

Thanks in advance !

All the vorshlag stuff I've used has had limited caster adjustment, which makes me not a fan of their stuff. Fine if everything matches but I'd prefer the ability to make caster match

[Phaedrus29]

Originally Posted by GC_Adam

Our plates will work with OE struts, but not OE springs. However we are exploring oe spring mounting options.

OK, so if not with OE springs, then I guess not with RCE Yellow springs either. Hrmmm...it doesn't seem like there's an option available for me right now for a camber plate that works with the stock struts and Yellow springs, and won't raise ride height.

[GC_Adam]

Originally Posted by Phaedrus29

OK, so if not with OE springs, then I guess not with RCE Yellow springs either. Hrmmm...it doesn't seem like there's an option available for me right now for a camber plate that works with the stock struts and Yellow springs, and won't raise ride height.

Yes, you are correct GC camber plates will not work with RCE yellow springs, but they do work with OE struts.

[GC86]

I will answer your questions in reverse order.

Originally Posted by Phaedrus29

I can't really tell from the pic, but how can these work with the stock struts...where's the top spring perch?

The pic is of an aftermarket spring perch for coilovers set into a stock upper mount.
The GC camber/caster is also a coilover spring perch for comparison.

There are no stock upper perches in that pic. GC is making street Camber/Caster plates also (not just a different perch) that will fit stock springs.

The GC coilover camber/caster plates fits the stock strut with a coilover conversion kit, but not stock diameter springs.

The thinking this is: Street springs need street camber/caster plates. Coilover springs need coilover camber/caster plates.

Originally Posted by Phaedrus29

So do these plates actually lower ride height?

Top mount camber/caster plates can lower the ride height. But the main reason is have suspension travel after you lower the car, or at least not lose as much.

Originally Posted by Phaedrus29

If so, by how much?

It relates directly to where the GC spring perch is compared to what you have now.

If the GC perch is higher up in the car than another perch, you will have more suspension travel with GC at the same ride height.

The amount would be the distance between the two. (assuming similar shaped perches which these all are)

Originally Posted by Phaedrus29

Link to more pics/info/price please.

Not done yet. Everything has already been sold as a kit. The street plates will be a month or so maybe.

[wootwoot]

Sorry if this is off topic: Are camber plates good/safe for a daily driver/occasional track day car? Looking to adjust camber and maintain as much clearance as possible.

[Supermassive]

Originally Posted by wootwoot

Sorry if this is off topic: Are camber plates good/safe for a daily driver/occasional track day car? Looking to adjust camber and maintain as much clearance as possible.

I'll try to explain this as best I can.

Camber plates typically use what is called a pillowball mount. All that means is that the weight of the car is supported by a ball that the shaft of the coilover is bolted through, you can see it on the pics of the Vorshlag earlier in the post. This mounting solution has alot of benefits such as, better suspension operation because there's no slop in the mount, its very rigid. You also get the adjustability, which is the point of the camber plate. You get better feel from the suspension because its translating the forces of the suspension to the chassis instead of a rubber mount. That being said you get some downsides too. Pillow balls are noisy, as in you hear the bumps in the road as well as feel them. The ride is quite a bit harsher, not "I cant live with it" harsh, but you'll cringe every time you hit an unseen bump and your girlfriend will probably complain about it (if you have one .

I daily drive my car and I have the Vorshlags, KW V3's, and lower profile tires on my car. It's way too fun not to.

[Figo]

Will Vorshlags mount lower the height? I just order KW V3, and dont want drop more than 1 inch.hah.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Supermassive

I'll try to explain this as best I can.

Camber plates typically use what is called a pillowball mount. All that means is that the weight of the car is supported by a ball that the shaft of the coilover is bolted through, you can see it on the pics of the Vorshlag earlier in the post. This mounting solution has alot of benefits such as, better suspension operation because there's no slop in the mount, its very rigid. You also get the adjustability, which is the point of the camber plate. You get better feel from the suspension because its translating the forces of the suspension to the chassis instead of a rubber mount. That being said you get some downsides too. Pillow balls are noisy, as in you hear the bumps in the road as well as feel them. The ride is quite a bit harsher, not "I cant live with it" harsh, but you'll cringe every time you hit an unseen bump and your girlfriend will probably complain about it (if you have one .

I daily drive my car and I have the Vorshlags, KW V3's, and lower profile tires on my car. It's way too fun not to.

[xwd]

Vorshlag plates raise the height of the car a little bit due to their design. It means you need to lower the lower spring perch to compensate for the extra height which reduces shock travel.

I recommend the HVT, Hotchkis, GC, or if you can wait the Raceseng ones since they do not raise the height and in some cases give travel back.

[tonystewart]

HVT



Does not increase ride height



There is not any additional noise, vibration or harshness, none.

[fstlane]

Originally Posted by tonystewart

HVT

There is not any additional noise, vibration or harshness, none.

Agreed, I'm very happy with mine as well. I was expecting some increase in NVH but was pleasantly surprised when there was none. I highly recommend the HVT plates!

[Supermassive]

Originally Posted by dwx

Vorshlag plates raise the height of the car a little bit due to their design. It means you need to lower the lower spring perch to compensate for the extra height which reduces shock travel.

I recommend the HVT, Hotchkis, GC, or if you can wait the Raceseng ones since they do not raise the height and in some cases give travel back.

Look, I agree that those options give extra "travel" but I have been running KW's on my car with the Vorshlags for about 17k miles and have never...I mean absolutely never bottomed the things out and I've done some very creative driving on occasion. Unless you plan on rally driving your FR-S those recessed camber plates are really only necessary for more low.

That said, I really, really, like RaceSeng's design for the camber plates but the other options look rather meh in comparison to my Vorshlags or the RaceSeng.

[neurokinetik]

Originally Posted by Supermassive

Look, I agree that those options give extra "travel" but I have been running KW's on my car with the Vorshlags for about 17k miles and have never...I mean absolutely never bottomed the things out and I've done some very creative driving on occasion. Unless you plan on rally driving your FR-S those recessed camber plates are really only necessary for more low.

Bottoming out is not the only reason why more travel is better. Staying off of the bumpstops is an additional benefit, and can increase front grip, especially if you are trying to brake and corner at the same time.

[Supermassive]

Originally Posted by neurokinetik

Bottoming out is not the only reason why more travel is better. Staying off of the bumpstops is an additional benefit, and can increase front grip, especially if you are trying to brake and corner at the same time.

The bump stops on my KW's have never been hit is all I'm saying. People can buy what they want, but the KW's and Vorshlags work perfectly together I am running lower than stock height by probably an inch and a half as the 18" wheels take up some of the wheel well gap Any lower and I have to run extra camber to get the rubber to fit...I prefer about 1.5 degrees of front camber 2 degrees if I want to really push it beyond that I'm just shredding tires unnecessarily.

In the rear I am dropped about 2 inches and camber is corrected to an at best 1 to 1-1/2 degrees which still results in tires getting uneven wear due to the added stress of having to contend with my turbo...I'm on my 3rd set of rears in 18k miles fun...but expensive I cant imagine how much worse it would be with 350+WHP...

I am partial to the Vorshlags because they were the only option available when I bought my KW's...about a month after the FR-S came out. So as they have been on my car longer than most people have owned their FR-S/BRZ maybe I am biased.

[f0rge]

Those HVT plates look really slick, I'm also looking for something that'll work with stock struts but aftermarket springs (Eibach Sportline).