Why did Toyota Australia have to be different? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

lazyluka · 01-07-2013, 03:29 PM

Ok, everywhere in the world, except Australia, the basic model is the 86 and the premium model is the GT86. Then it spans off in Japan to the GT86 Limited for the high end. ( I am not fussed if it's GT86 or 86 GT, same thing in this case)

Why is it that Toyota Australia decided to be confusing and name their models differently? My understanding is Australia is the only county with a GTS trim level.

The reason why I bring this up, is because, alot of NZ businesses are an Australian branch, and so most of the applications are written with an Australian database, or one would seem based on the recent conversation I just had.

I just got asked by a window repair company to confirm my car is a GT model as they have GT and GTS available in their system.

I then spent the next 10 minutes explaining that, even though it says it's a GT model, if they are using an Australian database, it is equivalent to a GTS. They also didn't have a plain "86" in their database. This just confused the person more, so I gave up.

Now I am pretty sure the windscreen is the same on the 86, GT and the GTS so I am fairly certain the repair will be correct, but the fact that Toyota Australia has used a different naming convention still annoys me.

st162celica · 01-07-2013, 04:07 PM

new windscreen. already ?

im actually surprised its even called a 86 in aust.
think in japan its called 86 GT limited not gt86 limited.
i kinda like 86 GTS Better than 86 gt limited.

dennis.s.s · 01-07-2013, 04:25 PM

The 86 isn't the first one.

The Prado line up here is GX, GXL, VX, Kakadu. But in NZ it's GX, VX, VX Limited. The NZ naming is the same as the rest of the world IIRC.

Flat Black VW · 01-07-2013, 04:27 PM

How bout the US where we didn't even get it as a Toyota.

You guys down under have it sooo nice.....

whaap · 01-07-2013, 04:32 PM

Yeah, be glad you're at least driving a Toyota and not a Scion!

omgwtfbbqsauce · 01-07-2013, 04:35 PM

Now your just being picky dude, be glad about having your car and stop nitpicking on small every little thing. Haters gonna hate

Nardi330 · 01-07-2013, 05:16 PM

I'd prefer our cars are named like JDM. Ie GT and GT Limited. But it's a really small issue so it's ok

st162celica · 01-07-2013, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flat Black VW

How bout the US where we didn't even get it as a Toyota.

You guys down under have it sooo nice.....

I would have liked to pay $26k for a scion rather than pay $35k for the Toyota 86 GT (base Model) I payed $40k for GTS (top Model)

Not hard for you guys... Just rebadge toyota... Done.

Maj3sty · 01-07-2013, 06:04 PM

Exactly, you yanks shouldn't be complaining about anything given how relatively cheap your cars are and almost 0% finance!

$40K for a GTS too, which is stil great value but nothing compared to the prices you pay over there.

Jedi1 · 01-07-2013, 06:11 PM

Just stop it. The rest of the World got a Toyota and we got a Scion. You will be just fine!

Flat Black VW · 01-07-2013, 06:57 PM

It was sarcasm. I own a BRZ, don't care about the Scion/Toyota deal.

Panman · 01-07-2013, 09:41 PM

Believe it or not the whole badging thing goes back to the early 80s when Holden and Ford were the main competitors in market - Holden entry models were two letters (eg. Commodore SL), as were Falcons (GL) 3 letter designations were always for higher spec cars (SL/X etc. etc. etc.) it seems to have stuck and has permeated across all of the manufacturers over time as a sort of defacto rule.

Yes it is confusing.

DriftEightSix · 01-07-2013, 11:03 PM

Just tell them you have a ZN6

Problem now solved.

G RUSH · 01-08-2013, 03:22 AM

I don't really mind it, except for the fact that GTS is also used by HSV...

So I just call it the 86 when I talk to people I guess.

Lucky the 'GTS' is not a badge on the car.

01-07-2013, 03:29 PM	#1
lazyluka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: GT86 Location: New Zealand Posts: 347 Thanks: 576 Thanked 379 Times in 103 Posts Mentioned: 15 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Why did Toyota Australia have to be different? Ok, everywhere in the world, except Australia, the basic model is the 86 and the premium model is the GT86. Then it spans off in Japan to the GT86 Limited for the high end. ( I am not fussed if it's GT86 or 86 GT, same thing in this case) Why is it that Toyota Australia decided to be confusing and name their models differently? My understanding is Australia is the only county with a GTS trim level. The reason why I bring this up, is because, alot of NZ businesses are an Australian branch, and so most of the applications are written with an Australian database, or one would seem based on the recent conversation I just had. I just got asked by a window repair company to confirm my car is a GT model as they have GT and GTS available in their system. I then spent the next 10 minutes explaining that, even though it says it's a GT model, if they are using an Australian database, it is equivalent to a GTS. They also didn't have a plain "86" in their database. This just confused the person more, so I gave up. Now I am pretty sure the windscreen is the same on the 86, GT and the GTS so I am fairly certain the repair will be correct, but the fact that Toyota Australia has used a different naming convention still annoys me.

01-07-2013, 06:04 PM	#9
Maj3sty Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: Toyota 86 GTS Orange AT Location: Sydney Posts: 189 Thanks: 23 Thanked 34 Times in 28 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Exactly, you yanks shouldn't be complaining about anything given how relatively cheap your cars are and almost 0% finance! $40K for a GTS too, which is stil great value but nothing compared to the prices you pay over there. __________________ Toyota GTS AT - Velocity Orange It's here!

01-07-2013, 11:03 PM	#13
DriftEightSix Pegasus White Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 86 Location: Brisbane. Posts: 973 Thanks: 646 Thanked 126 Times in 104 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Just tell them you have a ZN6 Problem now solved. __________________ Driving: Pegasus White Manual GTS 86.

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st162celica Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Drives: 86 GTS Manual - Tornado Grey Location: Sydney - Aust. Posts: 631 Thanks: 269 Thanked 146 Times in 102 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	new windscreen. already ? im actually surprised its even called a 86 in aust. think in japan its called 86 GT limited not gt86 limited. i kinda like 86 GTS Better than 86 gt limited.

01-07-2013, 04:25 PM	#3
dennis.s.s Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: 86 GTS with Aero Kit Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 32 Thanks: 15 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The 86 isn't the first one. The Prado line up here is GX, GXL, VX, Kakadu. But in NZ it's GX, VX, VX Limited. The NZ naming is the same as the rest of the world IIRC.

01-07-2013, 04:27 PM	#4
Flat Black VW Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2013 Subaru BRZ Location: NOVA Posts: 894 Thanks: 227 Thanked 343 Times in 202 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	How bout the US where we didn't even get it as a Toyota. You guys down under have it sooo nice.....

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whaap Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Drives: '13 FR-S firestorm, 6 mt - '11 CR-V Location: Tucson Posts: 2,133 Thanks: 243 Thanked 1,387 Times in 657 Posts Mentioned: 36 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yeah, be glad you're at least driving a Toyota and not a Scion!

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omgwtfbbqsauce Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: BRZ Location: Sydney Posts: 153 Thanks: 0 Thanked 56 Times in 30 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Now your just being picky dude, be glad about having your car and stop nitpicking on small every little thing. Haters gonna hate

01-07-2013, 05:16 PM	#7
Nardi330 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Drives: 86 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 2,168 Thanks: 287 Thanked 374 Times in 264 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I'd prefer our cars are named like JDM. Ie GT and GT Limited. But it's a really small issue so it's ok

01-07-2013, 06:57 PM	#11
Flat Black VW Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2013 Subaru BRZ Location: NOVA Posts: 894 Thanks: 227 Thanked 343 Times in 202 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	It was sarcasm. I own a BRZ, don't care about the Scion/Toyota deal.

01-07-2013, 09:41 PM	#12
Panman Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 86 GTS Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 706 Thanks: 141 Thanked 275 Times in 176 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Believe it or not the whole badging thing goes back to the early 80s when Holden and Ford were the main competitors in market - Holden entry models were two letters (eg. Commodore SL), as were Falcons (GL) 3 letter designations were always for higher spec cars (SL/X etc. etc. etc.) it seems to have stuck and has permeated across all of the manufacturers over time as a sort of defacto rule. Yes it is confusing.

01-08-2013, 03:22 AM	#14
G RUSH Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: White MT GTS Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 33 Thanks: 12 Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I don't really mind it, except for the fact that GTS is also used by HSV... So I just call it the 86 when I talk to people I guess. Lucky the 'GTS' is not a badge on the car.

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