(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[Shark_Bait88]

Originally Posted by Broseph

Hi all, 2nd post. As a non-BRZ owner, the rumors of the FA24DIT going in a next gen BRZ have opened up this car as a possibility for me once again. I own that motor in my Ascent and it is a beast. Gobs of torque on tap.

Really, really hoping the rumors are true!
Take my money again Subaru!

I think it's a very safe bet that it won't have a FA24DIT. An NA FA24 on the other hand, that seems like a fairly probable possibility.

[86MLR]

"Apparently" it's coming.

[HaXx]

its time i updated this meme from page 1 of this thread

i will cry when the next gen is turbo and all you stockies who dont know how to turn a wrench get to enjoy what i have been for the last years

CURSE YOU!

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

And one thing to be happy about is that it won't be an EV......

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by HaXx

its time i updated this meme from page 1 of this thread

i will cry when the next gen is turbo and all you stockies who dont know how to turn a wrench get to enjoy what i have been for the last years

CURSE YOU!

LOL Oh yes you are a pinnacle of knowledge and skill.
Quite the change in attitude in less than a year.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=4846

[86MLR]

LOL

[alan.chalkley]

GoAutoNews has just leaked that it might be powered by a 1.8L turbo boxer engine with a significant increase in power and torque , without any detriment to weight /balance/handling.
But would it not need a bigger fuel tank or many more trips to the local fuel station?

[why?]

Originally Posted by alan.chalkley

GoAutoNews has just leaked that it might be powered by a 1.8L turbo boxer engine with a significant increase in power and torque , without any detriment to weight /balance/handling.
But would it not need a bigger fuel tank or many more trips to the local fuel station?

Almost 100% sure there is no 1.8. There is a 1.6 turbo that Subaru keeps in Japan that comes in the Levorg and others that is rather awesome. Although if there is a 1.8 turbo anything is possible.



I doubt they would bring it over here for just one vehicle though, it would have to be in the midst of them going all turbo on all their cars.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

It better not be a gorram EV...

[mav1178]

The number one thing people keep forgetting is the cars are built within Japan's vehicle tax system, which underwent a significant revision last year. The biggest change is a reduction in the engine displacement tax.

For 2020 and beyond, there is now less of a penalty (as a car manufacturer) if you go with a larger engine but emphasize efficiency. The need to be limited to 2.0L is a lot less for the second generation car.

https://www.meti.go.jp/english/press/2019/0607_005.html

[JesseG]

^ That could be a factor in Toyota selecting the next motor. I’m glad they are looking more at efficiency instead of only displacement. Although the two usually go hand in hand. Subies 2.4 liter turbo would be AMAZING in the 86/BRZ


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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mav1178

The number one thing people keep forgetting is the cars are built within Japan's vehicle tax system, which underwent a significant revision last year. The biggest change is a reduction in the engine displacement tax.

For 2020 and beyond, there is now less of a penalty (as a car manufacturer) if you go with a larger engine but emphasize efficiency. The need to be limited to 2.0L is a lot less for the second generation car.

https://www.meti.go.jp/english/press/2019/0607_005.html

Interesting.


The tax may go down on larger displacements but it would appear there is still a huge incentive to keep displacements at or below 2 litres anyway.


The amount of tax for new automobiles will decrease more as the scale of engine displacement becomes smaller to 2,000 cc or less, particularly the tax for compact cars with 2,000 cc or less engine displacement. For example, a consumer who purchases a new compact car with 2,000 cc or smaller engine displacement in or after October 2019 will enjoy a reduction in their annual tax rate by about 10% to 15% from the conventional tax rate up to a maximum annual reduction of 4,500 yen.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Interesting.

The tax may go down on larger displacements but it would appear there is still a huge incentive to keep displacements at or below 2 litres anyway.

the tax is per year, so if you plan on owning a car for 5+ years, it adds quite a bit of cost to ownership.

plus, I'm specifically referencing Japan because they are changing this to reward efficiency. The old system tied an efficient engine to small displacement, so you had all sorts of small turbocharged engines. But it was also a system put in place in the 1950s, so there was no technological reason for it.

Regulation-wise, there's no longer an incentive to build engines based on displacement limits.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mav1178

the tax is per year, so if you plan on owning a car for 5+ years, it adds quite a bit of cost to ownership.

plus, I'm specifically referencing Japan because they are changing this to reward efficiency. The old system tied an efficient engine to small displacement, so you had all sorts of small turbocharged engines. But it was also a system put in place in the 1950s, so there was no technological reason for it.

Regulation-wise, there's no longer an incentive to build engines based on displacement limits.

I understand all that but the wording still shows a distinct and possibly significant advantage to keeping the displacement at 2 or under.