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JerryMichaels7 · 10-29-2013, 11:30 PM

Wait for the 500hp blower from sprintex :P

Dezoris · 10-30-2013, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by xjohnx

Sounds like you're making an argument FOR CSG to go with the Innovate in this situation. They're looking to see which kit we want to see them test. Being that the innovate has so many "unanswered questions", one would think that there would be plenty of content and just as much interest in seeing the results.....no?

kit has been out long enough for someone to post quality track data including Innovate. The truth is anyone doing track time is not running an out of the box setup.

xjohnx · 10-30-2013, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezoris

kit has been out long enough for someone to post quality track data including Innovate.

I'll go ahead and count that as a vote of support for them testing the innovate in an out of the box setup (as they mentioned they would be doing if they went with that kit.) You know, to satisfy your dying thirst for answers.

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Originally Posted by Dezoris

The truth is anyone doing track time is not running an out of the box setup.

The kit has been out long enough? The IC kit has been available in North America for a full 5 days. I know you love bashing this kit and the thought of someone doing a valid test drives you crazy as you won't be able to continue spewing hyperbole, but such is life.

s2d4 · 10-30-2013, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezoris

kit has been out long enough for someone to post quality track data including Innovate. The truth is anyone doing track time is not running an out of the box setup.

Well, you've just provided another reason to go for the innovate, because mike sounded like he would test the out of the box setup.

CajunFRS · 10-30-2013, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by xjohnx

I'll go ahead and count that as a vote of support for them testing the innovate in an out of the box setup (as they mentioned they would be doing if they went with that kit.) You know, to satisfy your dying thirst for answers.

The kit has been out long enough? The IC kit has been available in North America for a full 5 days. I know you love bashing this kit and the thought of someone doing a valid test drives you crazy as you won't be able to continue spewing hyperbole, but such is life.

The questions and concerns Dezoris has are valid. Anyone slapping some FI on this car should have these questions answered. Its 2013 tuners need to be transparent about results. Knowledge is power.

xjohnx · 10-30-2013, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CajunFRS

The questions and concerns Dezoris has are valid. Anyone slapping some FI on this car should have these questions answered. Its 2013 tuners need to be transparent about results. Knowledge is power.

That's exactly my point. If these questions are valid and he REALLY wants the answers, then why WOULDN'T he want CSG to test the innovate kit?

Dustin · 10-30-2013, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Has the Vortech really been tested in harsh conditions? I know it's perfectly fine for street driving, but I don't think I've really seen one being pushed hard at the track.

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Originally Posted by Dezoris

I have hours of data logged from track on Vortech. Almost 2 hours straight in a single day running the tank dry both times. FT86Speed has plenty of track time on their Vortech but never posted logs. Gem has tons of track time on the Vortech. I think by far its the most track tested on this site.

There is too much press on the Innovate kit and its a glorified re badged import kit with piss poor transparency at launch from Innovate. It's not a track ready kit out of the box non-intercooled. And even inter cooled there are plenty of questions left unanswered.

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Originally Posted by Dezoris

kit has been out long enough for someone to post quality track data including Innovate. The truth is anyone doing track time is not running an out of the box setup.

This was my reasoning for choosing the Innovate kit. I did edit @Dezoris first post leaving out that he would choose KW 1st and Jackson 2nd, but I still want to see the Innovate OTS kit with good data posted. Again, just why I voted for that kit.

Mikem53 · 10-30-2013, 09:54 AM

I voted for the innovate setup. Seems more "OEM" than the others.
Its not intended to create funny car power.. More in line with what an OEM would produce as the next power step up.
Some torture testing and hard runs would speak volumes for its ability to
Hold up in this application..
Thanks in advance!

CK_Bladesmith · 10-30-2013, 10:17 AM

I vote for the innovate stage 2 kit with the modified fa20club intercooler kit

TemeCal · 10-30-2013, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezoris

I have hours of data logged from track on Vortech. Almost 2 hours straight in a single day running the tank dry both times. FT86Speed has plenty of track time on their Vortech but never posted logs. Gem has tons of track time on the Vortech. I think by far its the most track tested on this site.

There is too much press on the Innovate kit and its a glorified re badged import kit with piss poor transparency at launch from Innovate. It's not a track ready kit out of the box non-intercooled. And even inter cooled there are plenty of questions left unanswered.

What about Robi's (Innovated powered) car? It probably has more track miles than yours and Gem's combined. He's out there just about every weekend. I removed the rest of my comments, since they weren't really on topic.

thill · 10-30-2013, 10:33 AM

I will be the odd sheep and vote for Jackson Racing. Everything I have read from Oscar Jackson Jr. seems very professional and straight forward. If I go FI, this is very important to me. JR has already torture tested their supercharger, but I would love for CSG to put it through the ringer and provide feedback.

KW is interesting as well, but I am getting a bad Visconti type vibe from their posts here.

ATL BRZ · 10-30-2013, 11:10 AM

Voted for Jackson Racing. Simplicity is key for me and I like that about the JR kit. Upgradability is a non-issue for me since the C30-94 would deliver ~280whp with E85 on my setup easily. I'd also prefer to not exceed the stock fueling and clutch capacities should I ever go FI.

CSG Mike · 10-30-2013, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TemeCal

What about Robi's (Innovated powered) car? It probably has more track miles than yours and Gem's combined. He's out there just about every weekend. I removed the rest of my comments, since they weren't really on topic.

His car doesn't exactly run the off-the-shelf tune. While it shows that the Innovate blower itself lasts under hard use, his tune is completely different, and his setup is about as stock as the rest of the car is. Plus, he's on E85, which is approximately the equivalent of 104 octane AND meth injection.

TemeCal · 10-30-2013, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

His car doesn't exactly run the off-the-shelf tune. While it shows that the Innovate blower itself lasts under hard use, his tune is completely different, and his setup is about as stock as the rest of the car is. Plus, he's on E85, which is approximately the equivalent of 104 octane AND meth injection.

True, but I'm not sure I'd want to run an "off-the-shelf" tune on the track. I've had enough issues on the track running NA. There's no way I'd run ANY of the FI kits on the track without it being dialed in by a tuner like Bill.

Same goes with an oil cooler, radiator, (and intercooler for me). As far as I remember, Robi is not even running an intercooler.

View Poll Results: Which off-the-shelf FI kit would you like to see CSG test?
Vortech Complete system	26	13.07%
Innovate Stage 2 Complete	98	49.25%
Jackson Racing Factory Tuned	36	18.09%
Kraftwerks Fully Tuned	39	19.60%
Voters: 199. You may not vote on this poll

10-29-2013, 11:30 PM	#43
JerryMichaels7 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: Whiteout FRS Location: South, Ga Posts: 348 Thanks: 19 Thanked 144 Times in 80 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Wait for the 500hp blower from sprintex :P __________________ life's greatest stories usually start with the words, "fuck it!".

10-30-2013, 10:17 AM	#51
CK_Bladesmith Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: Raven FR-S Location: Victoria TX Posts: 335 Thanks: 372 Thanked 95 Times in 75 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I vote for the innovate stage 2 kit with the modified fa20club intercooler kit __________________ Raven FR-S mods: Unichip, Ground Control street coilovers with camber plates and strut tower brace, SPC Lca's, Drag DR-38 wheels with Dunlop Direzza DZ101s, Perrin CAI and silicone inlet tube, Perrin 3" resonated catback, Perrin high flow catted front pipe, Rev Works UEL header.

10-30-2013, 11:10 AM	#54
ATL BRZ Driving Coach Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: BRZ Location: Atlanta Posts: 3,666 Thanks: 3,723 Thanked 4,137 Times in 1,707 Posts Mentioned: 90 Post(s) Tagged: 6 Thread(s)	Voted for Jackson Racing. Simplicity is key for me and I like that about the JR kit. Upgradability is a non-issue for me since the C30-94 would deliver ~280whp with E85 on my setup easily. I'd also prefer to not exceed the stock fueling and clutch capacities should I ever go FI. __________________ __________________________Pure Motorsport: JDL Turbo BRZ Track Build_______________________

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