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[nikitopo]

I believe start-stop needs a bigger battery. No?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I believe start-stop needs a bigger battery. No?

No. They use special starters and a capacitor. Since the warm starts require so much less cranking power the battery hardly even comes into play except during cold starts and normal power requirements.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

I don't get why people are so fussed over disabling Start-Stop. It only kills the engine when idling, when it's not necessary to have the car running and is smart enough in most cars to engage correctly or not stop at all, plus if you keep your foot on the clutch most won't even switch off. It's so non-intrusive that I'll happily take the minute fuel savings. It takes more effort to switch it off.

The idea just freaks me out. In years past before I could afford nice things I had some junkers that I wouldn't know from day to day if they would even start once, let alone every time I tried to pull away from a stop light.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

I don't get why people are so fussed over disabling Start-Stop. It only kills the engine when idling, when it's not necessary to have the car running and is smart enough in most cars to engage correctly or not stop at all, plus if you keep your foot on the clutch most won't even switch off. It's so non-intrusive that I'll happily take the minute fuel savings. It takes more effort to switch it off.

Bruuuuh. How am I supposed to get the mad launch needed to beat that Dodge Caravan full of kids off a green light?

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

I don't get why people are so fussed over disabling Start-Stop. It only kills the engine when idling, when it's not necessary to have the car running and is smart enough in most cars to engage correctly or not stop at all, plus if you keep your foot on the clutch most won't even switch off. It's so non-intrusive that I'll happily take the minute fuel savings. It takes more effort to switch it off.

I have an auto stop on my other car that I cannot turn off. First, there are the situations where you let off the brake on a downward slope and the car doesn't start for about 3-5 seconds. Second, you lose oil pressure, thus more wear on each start. Third, the ac stops and fans lower, and that's pretty uncomfortable on a really hot day, especially if the car isn't cooled down yet. Fourth, it's just really annoying if you are only stopped for a few seconds, or when attempting to enter a rotary or something.

[dpfarr]

The only times I’ve driven the start stop were in turbo volvo and turbo fords. They could be modulated by brake pressure. If I miss a light and will be there for a couple minutes pressure to the floor. Stop sign just enough pressure to remain stopped.

Idle fuel consumption in my Volvo sucks. If I feel like I’m going to be a while I switch my car off.

[DarkPira7e]

After reading the last 20 or so pages since my last time in this thread, I want to say a couple things-

1. The fuel injection is one of the best and coolest things about this car. It's actually badass.

2. Anyone who has gripes about the power from the FA20 engine needs to get a tune. Just get a basic ass tune and the car is amazing with stock hardware. No oem power level will satiate you if you're expecting v8 power out of a naturally aspirated 4 cyl.

3. Unfortunately, driving technology is a race for manufacturers. Tech sells to the majority, and I can say after my months of free rentals from Toyota, blind spot monitoring and adaptive cruise control are nice. I don't know anything about "eyesight" or "lane assist". I'll assume If you drive in your lane and don't do last second braking/ look far enough ahead to avoid things, I don't see how they'd intrude.

I think that regardless of what they release, it'll be a good car. As they try and adapt to what we want and are asking for, we also need to adapt to what they're asking for as well

[Stephen W.]

Official news release, (well it says “Official” at the to pof the page) says gen 2 BRZ in time for 2022 model year.
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/09/04/...driving-modes/

Subaru will begin sending the 2021 Impreza to its American dealers in October 2020. It will join the rest of the lineup with one exception: the BRZ. Production of the enthusiast-approved coupe is ending, and the company has stopped taking new orders for the model in Japan. It's again working with partner Toyota to bring a second-generation model to the market, and we hear it might make its debut in time for the 2022 model year.

What I find more interesting is that Subaru is putting a two mode version of SI-Drive in the Impreza. It’s only for the CVT version but still, it makes you wonder. How hard would it be, really, to have a similar set up in the BRZ with manual trans like in the wife’s Sti? One mode for daily, economy driving and a second for sporty, back road fun.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Bruuuuh. How am I supposed to get the mad launch needed to beat that Dodge Caravan full of kids off a green light?

Nitrous

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I believe start-stop needs a bigger battery. No?

Go through some starters too

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I have an auto stop on my other car that I cannot turn off. First, there are the situations where you let off the brake on a downward slope and the car doesn't start for about 3-5 seconds. Second, you lose oil pressure, thus more wear on each start. Third, the ac stops and fans lower, and that's pretty uncomfortable on a really hot day, especially if the car isn't cooled down yet. Fourth, it's just really annoying if you are only stopped for a few seconds, or when attempting to enter a rotary or something.

I forgot that you're mostly AT cars in the USA. I haven't driven an auto with the feature fitted, so maybe this is a fair comment. On a MT however, I think is a lot less of an issue as you control it by taking out of gear and foot off the clutch. I doubt that the oil pressure loss by having the engine off for a small period of time is that detrimental, especially given modern bearings and oils. Don't forget some cars use electric oil pumps as well. On cars I've driven, the AC and ambient temp are part of the system so that if the AC is required, the system won't shut the engine off.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Bruuuuh. How am I supposed to get the mad launch needed to beat that Dodge Caravan full of kids off a green light?

Put your foot on the clutch

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

I forgot that you're mostly AT cars in the USA. ...

I didn't realize that they had the auto-stop feature on manual cars, I figured it was an AT thing only.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

I forgot that you're mostly AT cars in the USA. I haven't driven an auto with the feature fitted, so maybe this is a fair comment. On a MT however, I think is a lot less of an issue as you control it by taking out of gear and foot off the clutch. I doubt that the oil pressure loss by having the engine off for a small period of time is that detrimental, especially given modern bearings and oils. Don't forget some cars use electric oil pumps as well. On cars I've driven, the AC and ambient temp are part of the system so that if the AC is required, the system won't shut the engine off.

Put your foot on the clutch

Yeah, it's an AT. Didn't know auto stop came on manuals, that's kinda cool. And I agree an electric oil pump would solve my longevity concerns if it brought the pressure up a bit before cranking (hmmm dry sump mod?...). I just wish I had the power to straight turn it off when I wanted to. Currently the only workaround I have is to shift it into manual mode whenever I need to stop for a second, which is kinda annoying as there are usually other things to pay attention to at those times.

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

I forgot that you're mostly AT cars in the USA. I haven't driven an auto with the feature fitted, so maybe this is a fair comment.

Thanks, glad you saw the light!