Considering an AT

[Cole]

Also, I have the best transmission. Every time I hop in my car, I have a smile on my face.

I win.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Cole

Also, I have the best transmission. Every time I hop in my car, I have a smile on my face.

I win.

Any transmission that is working, changing gears (either by a lever or on it's own) and making the car move is the best one in my books!

[LudwigMiles]

I own a MT BRZ.

Originally Posted by Urmyson

Auto frs/brz seem to have less failures from what I've seen over all. .

It's harder to be an ricer idiot and abuse an AT.

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Oxymoron.

Why?

Originally Posted by Submarinesonce

the way this thing is geared, I spend more time above 3k than below it. normal driving has me shifting between 4-5k

That means you know how to drive a sports car.
Many MT guys do not.
If they say the main advantage of MT is "fun", they have no idea what they're talking about.

Pro race car drivers don't have MT or DCT paddles b/c it's "fun". They have it because they can control the gears manually, and optimize HP and torque curve.

Originally Posted by Mule

Except Car and Driver test drove both and the auto was over a second slower from 0-60.

Was the test done using AT's manual mode where the engine reached 7k rpms for each gear?

Originally Posted by Mule

In other words, the auto still doesn't deliver close to 95% of the performance...

If the AT is in manual mode and the driver knows how to keep in the high revs, in the real world, the AT drivers would blow MT guys off the road.

Why? On the track, the ability to downshift rapidly is huge.
If you don't heel/toe, you will get blown away by an AT.
Guess what makes heel/toe obsolete? Yup, DCT & paddles.
It allows a much shorter braking zone, which is why heel/toe is critical for track racing.

Originally Posted by SuperTom

tracking racing however you want word it I would not want that extra 44lbs

The ability to shift gears while braking (AT manual paddles) will blow away the negative of 44 extra pounds.

Originally Posted by Submarinesonce

Love all the auto guys talking about how quick and consistent the shifts are...which is great, except the car is slower by every measure.

On a track, AT cars will blow away a clueless ricer with a MT. Even if both know to keep revs about 4k at all times, the AT manual mode can downshift 2 gears instantly.
An AT will blow you off the track in Turn 7 at Watkins Glen every time. You simply will never downshift 2 gears faster than a paddle.

Oh, and in the real world, all of this is meaningless.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

On the street with a "normal" driver much of the MT's advantage is lost.
Willing to bet that at least half of the MT drivers here lose enough time with sloppy shifts, not shifting at the right time or just plain bad driving
that the AT guys are going just as fast in the same distance.

You mean AT guys are going faster...

Originally Posted by Icecreamtruk

If you are comparing 0-60 times and ......

Right, if you are comparing 0-60 times, you bought the wrong car.
You need a Mustang or Camaro.

I own a MT BRZ.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

I own a MT BRZ.



It's harder to be an ricer idiot and abuse an AT.



Why?



That means you know how to drive a sports car.
Many MT guys do not.
If they say the main advantage of MT is "fun", they have no idea what they're talking about.

Pro race car drivers don't have MT or DCT paddles b/c it's "fun". They have it because they can control the gears manually, and optimize HP and torque curve.



Was the test done using AT's manual mode where the engine reached 7k rpms for each gear?



If the AT is in manual mode and the driver knows how to keep in the high revs, in the real world, the AT drivers would blow MT guys off the road.

Why? On the track, the ability to downshift rapidly is huge.
If you don't heel/toe, you will get blown away by an AT.
Guess what makes heel/toe obsolete? Yup, DCT & paddles.
It allows a much shorter braking zone, which is why heel/toe is critical for track racing.



The ability to shift gears while braking (AT manual paddles) will blow away the negative of 44 extra pounds.



On a track, AT cars will blow away a clueless ricer with a MT. Even if both know to keep revs about 4k at all times, the AT manual mode can downshift 2 gears instantly.
Give me an AT, and I will blow you off the track in Turn 7 at Watkins Glen every time. You simply will never downshift 2 gears faster than a paddle.

Oh, and in the real world, all of this is meaningless.



You mean AT guys are going faster...



Right, if you are comparing 0-60 times, you bought the wrong car.
You need a Mustang or Camaro.

I own a MT BRZ.

So much blowing 😲


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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Mule

But you and others in this thread have no interest in having a constructive dialogue. So be it.


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Originally Posted by Mule

So much blowing 😲


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Highly constructive response to a well thought out and stated post. Well done. I am convinced now.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Silver Supra

With an AT you can manually shift with the paddles

With a manual gearbox one changes gears manually. With paddles one flips a switch. Hence the oxymoron.
And yes, I am a pedant.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Mule

So much blowing 😲

So much car forum

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Mule

Except Car and Driver test drove both and the auto was over a second slower from 0-60.

@Mule, do you have a reference to this? As I posted here C&D had them listed as 7.1 vs 7.7.

Not trying to be argumentative, just was looking for your article as a comparison. Of course, all this can vary based on test conditions/driver/etc. Heck even the same car on the same day can vary by a second on any given run.

[mrg666]

Dadhawk, I can't find the car and driver data either. I found the following article
https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car...nual-update-8/

[IDFWU 420]

This was my first manual car. I told myself no way I'm going to get this car in an auto, it's just not right.. Took my friend to the dealership so he can drive my car home and learned to drive manual in that car 1-2 days later.

2 years later and NO RAGRETS!!!!!!! I FUCKING LOVE DRIVING THIS CAR AND JUST BANGING GEARS !!!!

[SuperTom]

Originally Posted by IDFWU 420

This was my first manual car. I told myself no way I'm going to get this car in an auto, it's just not right.. Took my friend to the dealership so he can drive my car home and learned to drive manual in that car 1-2 days later.

2 years later and NO RAGRETS!!!!!!! I FUCKING LOVE DRIVING THIS CAR AND JUST BANGING GEARS !!!!

FK YEAH BANGING GEARS!!!

[fierostetz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Highly constructive response to a well thought out and stated post. Well done. I am convinced now.

The best link in the user cp:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/profi...?do=ignorelist

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fierostetz

The best link in the user cp:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/profi...?do=ignorelist

Built in troll blocker

LOL Do I seem like a guy that ignores trolls? I look forward to the next words of wisdom from some of them.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

@Mule, do you have a reference to this? As I posted here C&D had them listed as 7.1 vs 7.7.

Not trying to be argumentative, just was looking for your article as a comparison. Of course, all this can vary based on test conditions/driver/etc. Heck even the same car on the same day can vary by a second on any given run.

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