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Old 08-16-2017, 12:52 PM   #155
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Love all the auto guys talking about how quick and consistent the shifts are...which is great, except the car is slower by every measure.
Exactly what is "every" measure? I know of one and that is 0 to 60.
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Old 08-16-2017, 12:58 PM   #156
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The OP created this thread specifically asking for opinions on transmission preference. How is providing relevant input considered forcing?
Opinions of preference are one thing. Stating that anybody that want's an AT is either too physically infirm for MT or should just have bought a different car are another. Do the people that like and prefer the AT really need to justify their choice with doctor's notes? Should everybody that modded for power have bought Mustangs instead?
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Old 08-16-2017, 01:05 PM   #157
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Love all the auto guys talking about how quick and consistent the shifts are...which is great, except the car is slower by every measure.
AT's can be modded to make them faster, just like you modded your MT with your OFT stg2 93 uel, CNT UEL to get a bit more power.

Then it just comes down to who spent the most on mods.
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Old 08-16-2017, 01:25 PM   #158
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Love all the auto guys talking about how quick and consistent the shifts are...which is great, except the car is slower by every measure.
Well, maybe not every measurement.

Here are the Car and Driver results for the 2016 FRS Manual although I question the 30-50speed on this one:

Zero to 60 mph: 7.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 17.6 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 29.0 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 12.0 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 9.5 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.4 sec @ 93 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 177 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.86 g

Here it is for 2017 Toyota Automatic:

Zero to 60 mph: 7.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 20.3 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 33.4 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 8.0 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 4.3 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 5.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 16.0 sec @ 91 mph
Top speed (redline limited): 126 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 165 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.90 g
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AT's can be modded to make them faster, just like you modded your MT with your OFT stg2 93 uel, CNT UEL to get a bit more power.

Then it just comes down to who spent the most on mods.
Hell forget mods how about simple maintenance and driver skill.


The AT with a clean air filter and good gas will kick the crap out of the MT with a plugged filter and poor quality fuel. Those numbers that everybody likes to throw around would have been from cars that were both new and in the same condition.

The MT is about a second faster in the 0 to 60. With a professional driver on a dedicated track where they can bounce off the red line each shift.
On the street with a "normal" driver much of the MT's advantage is lost. Although I know everybody here considers themselves to be a pro at shifting but the reality is that they are not. Willing to bet that at least half of the MT drivers here lose enough time with sloppy shifts, not shifting at the right time or just plain bad driving that the AT guys are going just as fast in the same distance. Hell, I bet that the AT drivers would kick the crap out of most of MT drivers in a drag race no matter what the numbers set by the pros say. If everybody is driving with perfect shifts, on the streets, in a manner where they are hitting the 0-60 acceleration rate from every single stop, then it makes a difference but I highly doubt they are.
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Hell forget mods how about simple maintenance and driver skill.


The AT with a clean air filter and good gas will kick the crap out of the MT with a plugged filter and poor quality fuel. Those numbers that everybody likes to throw around would have been from cars that were both new and in the same condition.

The MT is about a second faster in the 0 to 60. With a professional driver on a dedicated track where they can bounce off the red line each shift.
On the street with a "normal" driver much of the MT's advantage is lost. Although I know everybody here considers themselves to be a pro at shifting but the reality is that they are not. Willing to bet that at least half of the MT drivers here lose enough time with sloppy shifts, not shifting at the right time or just plain bad driving that the AT guys are going just as fast in the same distance. Hell, I bet that the AT drivers would kick the crap out of most of MT drivers in a drag race no matter what the numbers set by the pros say. If everybody is driving with perfect shifts, on the streets, in a manner where they are hitting the 0-60 acceleration rate from every single stop, then it makes a difference but I highly doubt they are.
A friend of mine drives an AT twin with Billet Power Blocks, air filter, sticky tires and better brakes. He has posted better lap times than a turbo MT frs.

What say you now purveyors of MT master race?
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Opinions of preference are one thing. Stating that anybody that want's an AT is either too physically infirm for MT or should just have bought a different car are another. Do the people that like and prefer the AT really need to justify their choice with doctor's notes? Should everybody that modded for power have bought Mustangs instead?


Nope, it's easy to add power, not easy to swap transmissions. I asked the question specifically because choice of transmission played a huge part in me landing on an FRS.

But you and others in this thread have no interest in having a constructive dialogue. So be it.


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A friend of mine drives an AT twin with Billet Power Blocks, air filter, sticky tires and better brakes. He has posted better lap times than a turbo MT frs.

What say you now purveyors of MT master race?
They will say "but a MT with the same mods would be 1 second faster in the 0-60".


There is much ado about nothing with the difference in speed of the two. People seem to think a second takes 5 minutes to go by so the "faster" car would be miles ahead or something.


It probably took most people 3 seconds just to read this sentence!
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A friend of mine drives an AT twin with Billet Power Blocks, air filter, sticky tires and better brakes. He has posted better lap times than a turbo MT frs.



What say you now purveyors of MT master race?


Lol very scientific. I just so happened to have been quicker than a MT FRS with a turbo and sticky rubber at the last track day I went to, and mine is 100% stock!

You need to control for the driver dum dum. Basic stuff, very basic stuff...


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Lol very scientific. I just so happened to have been quicker than a MT FRS with a turbo and sticky rubber at the last track day I went to, and mine is 100% stock!

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Nope, it's easy to add power, not easy to swap transmissions. I asked the question specifically because choice of transmission played a huge part in me landing on an FRS.

But you and others in this thread have no interest in having a constructive dialogue. So be it.


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Many of us are having a constructive dialogue. Just because you don't agree does not make it otherwise.


The choice of transmission is also what drew in the AT crowd.
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This thread is silly. The driver is the biggest deciding factor reponsible for lap times. If you are comparing 0-60 times and speaking about being faster on the streets, then you are both breaking the law quite often and judging the car by its ability to be something it was not meant to be (straight line speed/acceleration).

Its not even funny to read
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This thread is silly. The driver is the biggest deciding factor reponsible for lap times. If you are comparing 0-60 times and speaking about being faster on the streets, then you are both breaking the law quite often and judging the car by its ability to be something it was not meant to be (straight line speed/acceleration).

Its not even funny to read
These threads very rarely are. This one is exceptionally bad though since people are being asked to justify buying ATs based strictly on one person's bias against them.
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