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Exactly what is "every" measure? I know of one and that is 0 to 60.
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Opinions of preference are one thing. Stating that anybody that want's an AT is either too physically infirm for MT or should just have bought a different car are another. Do the people that like and prefer the AT really need to justify their choice with doctor's notes? Should everybody that modded for power have bought Mustangs instead?
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Here are the Car and Driver results for the 2016 FRS Manual although I question the 30-50speed on this one: Zero to 60 mph: 7.1 sec Zero to 100 mph: 17.6 sec Zero to 120 mph: 29.0 sec Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.7 sec Top gear, 30-50 mph: 12.0 sec Top gear, 50-70 mph: 9.5 sec Standing ¼-mile: 15.4 sec @ 93 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 177 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.86 g Here it is for 2017 Toyota Automatic: Zero to 60 mph: 7.7 sec Zero to 100 mph: 20.3 sec Zero to 120 mph: 33.4 sec Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 8.0 sec Top gear, 30-50 mph: 4.3 sec Top gear, 50-70 mph: 5.1 sec Standing ¼-mile: 16.0 sec @ 91 mph Top speed (redline limited): 126 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 165 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.90 g
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The AT with a clean air filter and good gas will kick the crap out of the MT with a plugged filter and poor quality fuel. Those numbers that everybody likes to throw around would have been from cars that were both new and in the same condition. The MT is about a second faster in the 0 to 60. With a professional driver on a dedicated track where they can bounce off the red line each shift. On the street with a "normal" driver much of the MT's advantage is lost. Although I know everybody here considers themselves to be a pro at shifting but the reality is that they are not. Willing to bet that at least half of the MT drivers here lose enough time with sloppy shifts, not shifting at the right time or just plain bad driving that the AT guys are going just as fast in the same distance. Hell, I bet that the AT drivers would kick the crap out of most of MT drivers in a drag race no matter what the numbers set by the pros say. If everybody is driving with perfect shifts, on the streets, in a manner where they are hitting the 0-60 acceleration rate from every single stop, then it makes a difference but I highly doubt they are.
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Nope, it's easy to add power, not easy to swap transmissions. I asked the question specifically because choice of transmission played a huge part in me landing on an FRS. But you and others in this thread have no interest in having a constructive dialogue. So be it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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There is much ado about nothing with the difference in speed of the two. People seem to think a second takes 5 minutes to go by so the "faster" car would be miles ahead or something. It probably took most people 3 seconds just to read this sentence!
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The choice of transmission is also what drew in the AT crowd.
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This thread is silly. The driver is the biggest deciding factor reponsible for lap times. If you are comparing 0-60 times and speaking about being faster on the streets, then you are both breaking the law quite often and judging the car by its ability to be something it was not meant to be (straight line speed/acceleration).
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