What's at the CIAS

[VirUzxZ]

woah, all i see in here is an opinion and as far as the word meh goes last time i checked i use that for good things, bad things, and when i don't care about things...

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

Also she was certain the Sport-Tech variant has larger front and rear brakes (I had seen this in a brochure months ago but it hasn't been discussed recently). Eyeballing the rotors I could see no noticeable differences but the differences in rotor size may have been there, or it may be a difference in pad swept area only. Or she could be wrong (and she is, according to the specs listed online for both models).

Drivetrain and brakes are 100% identical in all models here, she's most definitely wrong.

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by wparsons

Drivetrain and brakes are 100% identical in all models here, she's most definitely wrong.

Actually I asked her again when I was back at the show with someone Tuesday, and mentioned that there was no difference in the web posted brake specs on the Canadian site for the two models. She knew that and insisted that the web site was wrong! Have to check with HQ.

Update - I have submitted an email request for clarification, no-one is at HQ to talk to as they are all at the show.

[wparsons]

No point, there is zero difference in the drivelines. The differences are limited to bumpers, spoiler (or lack of), head unit, HVAC controls and front seat material.

[Orthow]

Originally Posted by l8apexr

I have never seen your car. Meh.

I reserved my opinion as I knew how it would be taken.

Originally Posted by Slick

Ditto, what's with the hate Orthow? It's done very tastefully, I like it.

Hate? LoL apparently the word "meh" is full of hate.

Completely wrong context for the use of the word hate but nice try.

Originally Posted by l8apexr

Its ok Orthow. He's probably not hating. Just commenting that its "meh". But it was a tad negative... oh well. This is what car forums are all about.

He's sorta right with "meh". Which. It is. Its just a buncha orange decals. No Volks, no rocketbunny, no wing, no cage, no 3-way dampers, etc. But that wasn't the objective of this car.

Atleast the OP kind of understood what I was saying. I could easily quote people from the local forums who have seen this car and all said similar to me but with much more emphasis on the gt3 clone.

Originally Posted by BioRage

Haters gonna hate.

Wakudoki gonna Eakudoki.

Morons gonna be morons. See above for the firt hater reply.

Originally Posted by VirUzxZ

woah, all i see in here is an opinion and as far as the word meh goes last time i checked i use that for good things, bad things, and when i don't care about things...

Thank you! Apparently personal opinions are no longer allowed on the net? I could easily walk up to this guy at CSCS this year and tell him how I feel about his car. Hell, I could make a youtube video of the entire interaction but I figured I would state my simple opinion of it on here.

If this were in fact a case of hate I would have explained what is was exactly I didn't like. My general impression of the "build" is meh. I've seen more done with less effort but for Canada I guess it's kind of a big deal.. but not to tuners.

Sorry my opinion doesn't serve the masses. It is afterall my opinion.

[l8apexr]

Like I said, I don't think Orthow was hating. Just stating that its "meh" relative to tuners.

That is the key point. To tuners. Its "meh". And I agree. For that crowd, I have a full blown race car.

I've built full blown race cars and modified cars w superchargers and bbk's and volks etc. But as I stated, this vehicle was meant to show the mild.

The mild has clearly garnered enough mainstream media attention. Becuz. U know what? The mainstream group of ppl are not tuners. Don't shop at nextmod or even know what it is. But actually drive corollas and 4 door civics and other relatively mild (compared to a tuner-scene car) cars. So if the objective is to show what a mild FRS can be that will garner attention of the masses - then I think that objective has been met.

Could you highlight some examples of how more could be done with less in order to meet my objective?

[l8apexr]

Showing ppl spectrum was also the objective. Right next to my car was a full blown "non-meh" FRS!

I should add that the point of me posting this in here was to show the possibilites of mild. And that it is on display at the CIAS.

Everyone is also entitled to their opinions. But opinions don't drive success. Planned objectives + solid execution drive success.

Part of the reason why some ppl may view opinions as wasteful is because they don't help drive anything or push anything forward.

Constructive opinions however, DO push things forward. So I look forward to hearing how more can be done with less. I am open to hearing some ideas.

One more thing. In order to help facilitate the discussion, I should explain my choices to achieve the objective.

The choice of orange was because my racecar is orange. And its also a head turner.
The choice of asseto garas was because it was inexpensive for an 18" wheel (18 needed for head turning)

So balancing inexpensive + head turning was a target.

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by wparsons

No point, there is zero difference in the drivelines. The differences are limited to bumpers, spoiler (or lack of), head unit, HVAC controls and front seat material.

The rep at the show did go online to confirm her information and it was confirmed from internal documentation.

Also I have an official Subaru options sheet PDF entitled "Canadian BRZ options" and dated 20/4/2012 that lists all the code numbers for model, paint etc., prices (correct), and every known Sport-tech option (most listings omit the minor items: heated seats, vanity and courtesy lights, and silver trim). It adds (for the Sport-tech only):

Brakes (front): Ventilated discs (294 x 40 mm), dual-piston calipers
Brakes (rear): Ventilated discs (290 x 40 mm), single-piston calipers

While the diameter of these rotors is the same as those specified on the Subie Canada web site for both models (see below), they are far thicker:

Brakes (front): Ventilated discs (294 x 24 mm)
Brakes (rear): Ventilated discs (290 x 18 mm)

[wparsons]

If you look at the Subaru site right now, it lists both models as having the 294x24mm front rotors and 290x18mm rear rotors.

http://www.subaru.ca/WebPage.aspx?We...&WebSiteID=282

The FRS also has 24mm thick rotors: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16252

Forget the Subaru marketing stuff from before launch, the brakes are identical on both trim levels. They all get 2 piston sliding front calipers and 1 piston sliding rear calipers too.

[Skurj]

Someone (with a car) get out there and measure em!

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by wparsons

If you look at the Subaru site right now, it lists both models as having the 294x24mm front rotors and 290x18mm rear rotors.

I mentioned that myself, but the Subaru rep checked her internal info and said (and I repeat) the site is wrong. I hope to get more from a product specialist/manager after the show.

[wparsons]

The only difference in brakes listed anywhere I can find is the Australian GT86 GT, which has 277mmx24mm discs up front and 286mmx10mm discs in the back. The Australian GTS has the same brakes as the FRS and BRZ.

If somehow the base BRZ here comes with the smaller brakes it should be pretty obvious since they're about an inch smaller in diameter. If you want a solid answer call a parts guy and ask for part numbers for both models.

If you do that, also check to see if that's something new after a certain build date since I've seen no indication by aftermarket companies that there's a difference up to this point.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21267

[Sport-Tech]

The rotors are not supposed to be smaller on the base model, they are thinner, so it won't be evident from a quick visual comparison across models (I did one at the auto show, saw no differences, but I did not check thickness). Australian GT86 case is not relevant here.

[wbradley]

I've seen this car - it's made to look like a GT3. Meh.

Wow your opinion was really (not) called for. I suppose we should blame tactless behaviour on the web? However, I suppose online it is apropos. And it's not an issue of disagreeing with opinions, just rudeness.

To the OP, 40 mm rotors really? Over an inch thick? Think about it.

To the owner of the GT3 styled FR-S: nice! I had no idea you were a serious racer. Rallying! Very cool man!

If anyone wants a Pat Cyr Formula D poster just PM me. I have 2 extra ones.