First Drive Review of Toyota FT-86 / Scion FR-S Mule! [Car magazine]

[Sabastian]

Originally Posted by t88

So can you or can you not force induce the engine? Because as soon as I get that car I will turbocharge it, also this type R version... Does Subaru have it? Or is it only for the Toyota version? Also isn't 25,000 British pound is a tad too much for what this car has to offer? It seems like to me that this is a FR Scion with a Subaru engine in it. Throw in some brakes, LSD, a close gear ratio gearbox and slap the Toyota/Scion/Subaru name on it. Since 25,000 GBP is almost equal to $40,342 USD, that's like a high end 370z model! This is just my view and my opinion/speculation.

Nevertheless I am waiting to see the real thing as well as some in depth specs. I still have high hope from the Subaru version and if all goes well, I will buy it.

You can't simply translate the price from pounds to dollars and expect that to be the selling price in the states. Cars cost a lot more in the UK than they do in the US. For instance, a VW GTI in the UK is also right around 25k GPB, but in the states it starts around 24k USD.

I'm expecting Edmunds.com's estimate of ~$24,500 to be close to what we'll see.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by KevinDuMa

Do really see a version of this car in the U.S. with a roll cage? It just doesn't fit with Scion, though I'm not saying it's totally not possible just not likely. Besides that, is there proof that an "R" version exist besides this article?

He also said that an R version of the FT-86 was coming with less weight, Brembo brakes (our test car’s stoppers were from Hitachi), a rollcage, a larger rear wing, no rear seats and, yes, a mechanical LSD but no more power.

Neither is this car but ironically it's going to be a Scion.

We won't know if it'll be available in the US but you guys (no you specifically) claiming all this nonsense w/out any official proof are just blowing smoke.

The Gazoo car reminds me of the R version and there was a thread regarding the Brembos so the proof might already be out there.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ghlight=brembo

[KevinDuMa]

Originally Posted by RRnold

He also said that an R version of the FT-86 was coming with less weight, Brembo brakes (our test car’s stoppers were from Hitachi), a rollcage, a larger rear wing, no rear seats and, yes, a mechanical LSD but no more power.

Neither is this car but ironically it's going to be a Scion.

We won't know if it'll be available in the US but you guys (no you specifically) claiming all this nonsense w/out any official proof are just blowing smoke.

The Gazoo car reminds me of the R version and there was a thread regarding the Brembos so the proof might already be out there.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ghlight=brembo

I get what you're saying, I'm just damn ready for some real specs. Just one more month for some solid information.

[mike2100]

Originally Posted by RRnold

He also said that an R version of the FT-86 was coming with less weight, Brembo brakes (our test car’s stoppers were from Hitachi), a rollcage, a larger rear wing, no rear seats and, yes, a mechanical LSD but no more power.

Neither is this car but ironically it's going to be a Scion.

We won't know if it'll be available in the US but you guys (no you specifically) claiming all this nonsense w/out any official proof are just blowing smoke.

The Gazoo car reminds me of the R version and there was a thread regarding the Brembos so the proof might already be out there.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ghlight=brembo

lol, another bubble about to burst

[jadamian75]

I like what I'm reading. "Other options are also on the cards: a convertible is ‘possible’"
I drove a 370z roadster and a 370z nismo back to back on back canyon roads and I enjoyed the convertible much more even though the hard top is more capable at the limits.
I would love to see this in a convertible maybe 6 months to a year after the initial ones go on sale. I would also like to see an option for more power from the factory. It's disappointing that the designer is not considering a turbo for future models.
Joe

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by Infernal

regards the "r" version - rollcage is do-able, at least in europe anyway...

the renault megane r26r, had back seats removed, roll cage, light buckets, and plastic windows - fastest FWD production car around the ring i beleive

The gt3rs is sold in the US with a roll cage like that.

Originally Posted by Solrac

Any thoughts on the lack of boxer burble sound? I'm really hoping the brz has the trade mark boxer sound. This would be a great way to differentiate the two models

I doubt the exhaust will be different between Subaru and Scion but one of the articles (maybe the Moto post) mentioned the US spec exhaust will be louder because Japan has tight noise restrictions. It will still have a nice sound even with EL headers, it will just be smooth instead of burbling.

[jadamian75]

Originally Posted by Quandry

Give it to Clarkson and co at TopGear and lets see if it's really worth it's salt!

I like this idea!

[82mm 4g63]

Originally Posted by KevinDuMa

I get what you're saying, I'm just damn ready for some real specs. Just one more month for some solid information.

What NEW worthwhile facts do we get from this?

Eight size 11 footsteps between front and rear hubs.
53f/47r weight distribution.
160g/km co2 exhaust.
Mitsubishi springs.
Standard "keyless go".
Around 1200kg.
Suede seat centers.
60mph in 6th @ 2500rpm.
R version with less weight, Brembo's, rollcage, larger wing, no rear seats, mechanical LSD, no more power.

Not that it's a huge deal, but I'm surprised with that weight distribution to be honest. How heavy is the damn engine?

2640lbs isn't bad. Hoping "around" means "less than."

Not a fan of push to start ignitions. Suede seats would be nice.

Pass on the R version. I'm sure there will be a significant mark up for it. Look at the GenCoupe and the GenCoupe R-Spec's. $2250 markup over base and they're not throwing in a roll cage or removing back seats. Besides, I'd be more satisfied picking and choosing the parts that go in my car. Sure it'll cost more, but it will also be using superior parts.

[serialk11r]

lol@ the people confused about CO2/km.
Where does CO2 come from in your car? What is the only thing with carbon that your engine burns? hint hint you get it at something called a gas station, and it usually is about the same in terms of formulation.

g CO2/km is precisely a fuel economy measurement. They call it emissions, but that's actually kinda stupid because the most harmful part of the emissions is not the CO2 but nitrous oxides, various hydrocarbons, etc. and that's what we usually refer to over here when we think emissions. People care more about CO2 now because it is obviously the largest portion of what is emitted when we burn fuel.

Okay I don't know what calculator people are using, but the Lotus Elise with 1ZR-FAE engine in the UK is rated 149g/km, 45 miles per imperial gallon. 160g/km would be about 42.2 miles per imperial gallon. An imperial gallon is 6/5 US gallons, so this is a bit over 35mpg in US speak, on the EU test cycle of course, which tends to give higher numbers. (imma bold, excuse me :P)

So I guess those photos with the tach reading 1800 at 75mph are bs? btw it's definitely possible to lower revs more, for people saying a 4 cylinder engine can't pull at 1500 rpm.

Oh and, bullshit torque number, as usual. You can't "feel" torque.

[Buggy51]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

It's pretty great as far as regular auto boxes go. Dare I say even the best automatic outside of a DSG/Sequential box?

Haha, that sounds interesting haha.

[Marrk]

Originally Posted by FormulaJDM

Then why is Toyota debuting a Yaris race car at Sema next week?

http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases...club+racer.htm

I'm talking about a Type R, not a race car. You were, too. Remember?

[switchlanez]

LFA has a Nurburgring Edition available to the US. The IS-F and soon GS-F edition will be available to the US. Who's responsible for this? Same guy who's been driving the FT-86 as his pet project. Should we expect him to deliver something beyond the base model? This is speculation but it's not hard to connect some dots.

I don't want buyers remorse months after this car comes out. Gonna wait the extra months (or year) so I can compare all options. Or at least wait for the official announcement of a premium trim. More time to save more pennies.

[ryridesmotox]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Oh and, bullshit torque number, as usual. You can't "feel" torque.

Um not sure what kind of car you drive, also I'm not trying to start a forum war buuuut..... you most definitely feel torque. Take diesel engines for example... or my car. I can hit 400lbs of torque depending on which tune I am running. You can mist definitely feel that... trust me.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by ryridesmotox

Um not sure what kind of car you drive, also I'm not trying to start a forum war buuuut..... you most definitely feel torque. Take diesel engines for example... or my car. I can hit 400lbs of torque depending on which tune I am running. You can mist definitely feel that... trust me.

Yup torques are what push you in the back of your seat. You can definitely feel them.