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View Poll Results: How many 86 owners are planning on getting the Supra?
I'm definitely getting one 20 13.33%
I might get one if they offer a MT 60 40.00%
No, not me. 70 46.67%
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Old 06-07-2019, 04:19 PM   #1233
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Ugh, this top speed convo is hurting my head...

Top speed is a function of power, drag, weight and most importantly GEARING! More weight actually helps retain tire traction to transfer power and none of this matters if your transmission isn't geared to hit your maximum speed target anyway. Not to mention the Supra and other cars are actually governed to be speed limited at 155mph.

As for bragging about power per liter in forced induction motors, that's a big laff. Just crank the boost and get whatever power you want. The only question is how reliable do you want the engine to be and how long will it last? The Supra could do 1500hp in 3L, BMW had a 1.8L that did 1200hp. This Porsche 718 2L is a big nothing burger. Woopty Doo, smh. Wake me up when we start pushing NA motor efficiency again. Oh right, batteries and motors...yawn.

TLDR: Top Speed? Who cares unless you are at Bonneville. Power per liter in boosted engines? Boring.

Heck, even Porsche is sick of their 4 banger and want it gone.

All that said, this Supra is turning out to be a beast in all the right ways. I'm loving watching the early haters eat crow.

Surprised nobody has commented on the general consensus so far that Toyota has tuned their suspension above and beyond the Bimmers (M2 or Z4).
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Old 06-07-2019, 04:28 PM   #1234
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You say that as if the Supra doesn't have a B58 crammed into a chassis smaller than an 86 with much more shielding and sound deadening.
iirc, the Supra chassis is bigger than the 86. the hood is also longer as well.
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Old 06-07-2019, 04:40 PM   #1235
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Correction, 1.5L BMW turbo making 1450bhp. Had my 1.8L MR-S on my brain lately....

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Old 06-07-2019, 04:51 PM   #1236
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Old 06-07-2019, 05:00 PM   #1237
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iirc, the Supra chassis is bigger than the 86. the hood is also longer as well.
Supra has a shorter wheelbase, 97" vs. 101" for the FT86.
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iirc, the Supra chassis is bigger than the 86. the hood is also longer as well.
Correct, Supra is longer and wider than 86.

Overall length
Supra - 172.5"
86 - 168.8"

Overall Width
Supra - 73"
86 - 69.9"
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Correct, Supra is longer and wider than 86.

Overall length
Supra - 172.5"
86 - 168.8"

Overall Width
Supra - 73"
86 - 69.9"
4" of hood, rear hatch, and wheel width do not negate the fucked upedness that is German engineering and definitions of 'accessibility'

Seriously, the engine is much longer than the FA20 so 4" of length is not 'more space' than the 86 has and we're going from 7" wide wheels to 9"/10" so that's 6" of wheel width added in the back, 4" in the front.
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Yellow was pretty. Downshift Blue was surprisingly good in person too. But still my fav is Phantom Grey.
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Have a look at the Supra's bare chassis and drivetrain

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/hav...ivetrain.1849/

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It could be the best value 2 door, 2 seater BMW in Australia.......

The Zupra GT is $94k and the GTS is $104k.

I wonder in Nissan drop something on us? There was something in the wind a while ago IRT a boosted Z.

That would give the BMW some serious competition.
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Old 06-08-2019, 12:26 AM   #1245
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So much wrong here. If weight doesn't matter then how does a 175hp/100tq motorcycle get to 190mph? Power/weight isn't all that matters either or a motorcycle would just as easily get over 200mph as an equally power/weight car, but they can't because they lack the torque to cut through the air resistance. Big torque without horsepower doesn't help without gearing or diesel trucks would be hitting 200mph too.
Motorcycles have an entirely different frontal area! And how motorcycles came into the discussion? My god ..

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The 2.0T in the Cayman is hitting roughly 300hp/280tq. The 2.5T is hitting 350hp/310tq. How is that far from the competition? Are you familiar with the Golf R or Civic Type R?
The 2.0T Cayman's power has been underrated from the factory in a similar fashion like the Supra appearing in the Car&Driver's dyno video. Same about the 2.5T. Anyway if you want believe it , if you don't want fine for me. Fact is that people that had a chance to really drive it were impressed by the engine power. Golf R is back on power levels. About Honda I said that it is close, but it looks that you just want to argue for the argue ...

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Subaru is building a WRX with 300/300 because they have the STI for that power level, and they managed to get there for far cheaper than Porsche, and the fact that it doesn't exist doesn't mean they can't. Good god man
WRX STI cannot be sold anymore here because of the regulations. They cannot deal with regulations, not that they can't do it in general.


Anyway, the importance of the topic here is that when comparing Supra, M2, Cayman is to keep in mind that Cayman is a 4 cylinder engine. For some this might be worse (more cylinders better right?), for others that are worrying also about consumption in ordinary driving situations it might be good. That's all!
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Surprised nobody has commented on the general consensus so far that Toyota has tuned their suspension above and beyond the Bimmers (M2 or Z4).
The suspension of the Supra is softer comparing to the one of the Z4. This is a bit weird. Someone would expect the suspension of the convertible to be more comfortable and the suspension of the coupe to be more hardcore and to the limit. This is certainly something that will be addressed by the tuners! They are already working on it.
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