follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
Speed By Design
Register Garage Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Go Back   Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB > Technical Topics > Issues | Warranty | Recalls / TSB

Issues | Warranty | Recalls / TSB Problems, issues, recalls, TSBs


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-16-2016, 11:32 PM   #15
Spartarus
...Just add nauseum
 
Spartarus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Drives: 2003 (AP1) S2000
Location: Miami, FL
Posts: 545
Thanks: 310
Thanked 784 Times in 335 Posts
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by guybo View Post
There's a special goop they use on the bead to lube it up when they mount the tire to the rim.
Soapy water is pretty special. I'm just being sarcastic.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Midjetv8 View Post
They don't appear to be directional. At least it's not mentioned on the tyre nor Bridgestones website. The tread faces in the opposite direction on each side of the car but there's no way to correct it.
On a related note, OP, RE003's are directional.

Pic reference. It has an inside and an outside tread block.

They will have to be re mounted correctly.

Cheers.
Attached Images
 
__________________
Inline 4 is best 4

There are many ways to displace.

-Spartarus
Spartarus is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Spartarus For This Useful Post:
humfrz (10-17-2016)
Old 10-17-2016, 12:03 AM   #16
Ultramaroon
義理チョコ
 
Ultramaroon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Drives: a 13 e8h frs
Location: vantucky, wa
Posts: 31,867
Thanks: 52,127
Thanked 36,518 Times in 18,920 Posts
Mentioned: 1106 Post(s)
Tagged: 9 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartarus View Post
On a related note, OP, RE003's are directional.

Pic reference. It has an inside and an outside tread block.

They will have to be re mounted correctly.

Cheers.
There is directionality with respect to the rim, and there is directionality with respect to rotation.

This tire does not care which direction it rotates.
__________________
Ultramaroon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2016, 06:23 AM   #17
guybo
Huge E85 fan!
 
guybo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Drives: 2016 Scion FRS
Location: Tampa, FL, USA
Posts: 1,850
Thanks: 539
Thanked 1,010 Times in 605 Posts
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by pantdino View Post
I have read in multiple reliable places that running a tire in the wrong direction, will NOT damage it. That was only true of the very earliest radials
I've seen directional tires mounted backwards and it causes feathering of the tread blocks. When turned around and mounted the right way, the tire has a vibration and chops real bad which causes further damage. It depends on how aggressive the tread pattern is, but the damage can happen quickly.
guybo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2016, 07:16 AM   #18
Midjetv8
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Drives: 2013 Toyota 86
Location: Perth Western Australia
Posts: 20
Thanks: 3
Thanked 13 Times in 9 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartarus View Post
Soapy water is pretty special. I'm just being sarcastic.



On a related note, OP, RE003's are directional.

Pic reference. It has an inside and an outside tread block.

They will have to be re mounted correctly.

Cheers.
They're all mounted the right way. It has inside written in huge letters on the inside so it's impossible to miss. The tyres seem to be asymmetrical which means the outer tread faces in different directions on either side of the car. In order for a tyre to be directional doesn't the tread have to be symmetrical like the Advan ad08r's?
Midjetv8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2016, 07:27 AM   #19
Midjetv8
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Drives: 2013 Toyota 86
Location: Perth Western Australia
Posts: 20
Thanks: 3
Thanked 13 Times in 9 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by guybo View Post
There's a couple things that look to me are likely culprits. If tires aren't mounted properly, they can be ruined. There's a special goop they use on the bead to lube it up when they mount the tire to the rim. If they use the wrong goop or none at all, the tire can be damaged internally and show nothing outside. The fact that the pull moves with the wheel tells me that this issue is tire or rim related.

You might have a bad rim or one that can only be road force balanced. Find a shop to have the wheels road force balanced and inspected carefully (with the tires not mounted to them so they can look at the inside of the rims). Have them dismount the tires and remount them- all of them, don't be cheap. If the tires were incorrectly mounted, it may be reversible. You could have gotten a bad tire too and you'll just have to try to get your money back on it.

If it was alignment, the problem would persist no matter what position the tires are at. Like others have said though, if the tires are directional, if one is mounted in the wrong direction that might be the problem. Running a few hundred miles on a directional tire mounted backwards can also ruin that tire.
I shall take the car to a place near me and get them to inspect the rim and tyre properly. Shall report back with news if it's worth reporting
Midjetv8 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Midjetv8 For This Useful Post:
Tcoat (10-17-2016)
Old 10-17-2016, 07:34 AM   #20
Midjetv8
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Drives: 2013 Toyota 86
Location: Perth Western Australia
Posts: 20
Thanks: 3
Thanked 13 Times in 9 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartarus View Post
If the tread is directional, the tire is directional.

If they tread faces opposite ways, that's your problem. Whoever mounted them, mounted them wrong.

Check all 4 corners, you may be lucky and you have them swapped on opposite corners. Otherwise, if not, the only solution to that is to pull the tire off the rim and remount it.

There will be a tiny arrow indicating direction of rotation , but it may be on the inboard side if the tire is backwards.
On the inside of the tyres it has INSIDE written in massive bold letters. Impossible to miss. Can't change them around. They're asymmetrical. Tyres have to be symmetrical in order to have a certain rotation as far as i'm aware?
Midjetv8 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Midjetv8 For This Useful Post:
Tcoat (10-17-2016), Ultramaroon (10-17-2016)
Old 10-17-2016, 09:00 AM   #21
guybo
Huge E85 fan!
 
guybo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Drives: 2016 Scion FRS
Location: Tampa, FL, USA
Posts: 1,850
Thanks: 539
Thanked 1,010 Times in 605 Posts
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
I googled those tires and saw some pics. I didn't see if they are directional but they have an inside and an outside like @Midjetv8 says
guybo is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to guybo For This Useful Post:
Ultramaroon (10-17-2016)
Old 10-17-2016, 09:17 AM   #22
yelsew
Little Member
 
yelsew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Drives: Bloo - The 13' BRZ
Location: OHIO
Posts: 353
Thanks: 373
Thanked 344 Times in 195 Posts
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Garage
I will confirm that our RE003 and the new NA market Firehawk Indy 500 (sharing a tread pattern) are Assymetrical and non-directional. as long as the larger treadblocks (denoted by an outside and inside label) are on the correct side, they are mounted correctly and can be rotated to any position on the vehicle. directional tread is symmetrical wrt the centerline of the tire.

Besides tire pressures, I am not sure what else with regards to the tire could cause your pulling issue. I would try looking into the alignment again
__________________
<--- My Journal
Quote:
Originally Posted by soulreapersteve View Post
People just need some #drivermod in their life.
yelsew is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to yelsew For This Useful Post:
Ultramaroon (10-17-2016)
Old 10-17-2016, 09:53 AM   #23
FX86
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2016
Drives: on the wrongside of the road
Location: rear floor mats
Posts: 2,240
Thanks: 1,084
Thanked 2,087 Times in 1,015 Posts
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
i always come into these threads hoping the OP is stock but that is never the case around here
FX86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2016, 10:41 AM   #24
Tcoat
Senior Member
 
Tcoat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Drives: 2020 Hakone
Location: London, Ont
Posts: 69,845
Thanks: 61,656
Thanked 108,283 Times in 46,456 Posts
Mentioned: 2495 Post(s)
Tagged: 50 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by FX86 View Post
i always come into these threads hoping the OP is stock but that is never the case around here
Because people with problems with stock ones just quietly take them in and have them fixed under warranty.
__________________
Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.
Tcoat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2016, 10:53 AM   #25
deejaylew
Senior Member
 
deejaylew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Drives: AP1 Honda S2000, Focus RS
Location: SC
Posts: 176
Thanks: 154
Thanked 134 Times in 80 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultramaroon View Post
I suggest getting a second opinion on alignment. The first shop's rack/equipment may be out of whack.
This is good advice, possibly save yourself a headache and more money by trying another shop. Iv'e been down this road before only to find out that a different shop has found the alignment to be WAY off.
deejaylew is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to deejaylew For This Useful Post:
Ultramaroon (10-17-2016)
Old 10-17-2016, 11:07 AM   #26
guybo
Huge E85 fan!
 
guybo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Drives: 2016 Scion FRS
Location: Tampa, FL, USA
Posts: 1,850
Thanks: 539
Thanked 1,010 Times in 605 Posts
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
I googled those tires and saw some pics. I didn't see if they are directional but they have an inside and an outside like @Midjetv8 says
guybo is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to guybo For This Useful Post:
Ultramaroon (10-17-2016)
Old 10-17-2016, 11:28 AM   #27
Spartarus
...Just add nauseum
 
Spartarus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Drives: 2003 (AP1) S2000
Location: Miami, FL
Posts: 545
Thanks: 310
Thanked 784 Times in 335 Posts
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultramaroon View Post
There is directionality with respect to the rim, and there is directionality with respect to rotation.

This tire does not care which direction it rotates.
Yes. Thanks for clarifying.

I just though he may have had some inside sides on the outside.

I suppose not. Back to square 1.
__________________
Inline 4 is best 4

There are many ways to displace.

-Spartarus
Spartarus is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Spartarus For This Useful Post:
Tcoat (10-17-2016), Ultramaroon (10-17-2016)
Old 10-17-2016, 11:35 AM   #28
Tcoat
Senior Member
 
Tcoat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Drives: 2020 Hakone
Location: London, Ont
Posts: 69,845
Thanks: 61,656
Thanked 108,283 Times in 46,456 Posts
Mentioned: 2495 Post(s)
Tagged: 50 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartarus View Post
Yes. Thanks for clarifying.

I just though he may have had some inside sides on the outside.

I suppose not. Back to square 1.
Ya I thought we had it. At this point I think he needs to look elsewhere other than just focusing on tires. Could have a bad damper, improperly seated spring or any of a 100 other things with the modded suspension. We all got so wrapped up in the tires that we are totally overlooking many other possibilities.
__________________
Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.
Tcoat is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Tcoat For This Useful Post:
Spartarus (10-17-2016), Ultramaroon (10-17-2016)
 
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Aggressively pulling to the left on acceleration sero901 Issues | Warranty | Recalls / TSB 39 01-12-2021 05:39 PM
Pulling up floor rug? ndsleep612 Cosmetic Modification (Interior/Exterior/Lighting) 1 12-11-2013 01:23 AM
Brz pulling trailer? subiesteve Southwest 7 11-20-2013 09:04 PM
94 octane not pulling Scalzo Forced Induction 44 10-08-2013 10:15 PM
Pulling your FRS off of the lot, what are you bumpin'?? poormans_LFA BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics 201 06-09-2012 09:52 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:04 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.