Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Rampage

I have owned 53 cars in my lifetime. 4 have been purchased new. The car I currently drive is now 18 years old and one of the best cars that I have ever owned. What do you think the odds are that I would pay an extra $10K to get the new shiny?

I can see the dealers gouging on the Supra when it come out but the 4 cylinder Supra will come later and by then the hysteria will have died down. Besides that, anyone that is willing to pay the "exclusive" and "me first" tax would undoubtedly go for the 6 cylinder turbo as a four banger Tier 2 car would be beneath them.


I see a $60Kish price for the 6 cylinder Supra mentioned again in the Motor Trend article.

Maybe I should have put 2 winky faces instead of just one

[abraxis]

A couple points of confusion on my end:

1-I thought the Supra was supposed to be the more aggressive track focused car while the Z4 the road friendly GT roadster? Early reports seem to be saying the opposite. I don't know if this is early testing for feedback or intentional, but to have the Supra be the softer alternative I think would be a mistake by Toyota. I think I saw reports there are two Supras, one with adaptive suspension, and another without, so I don't know.

2-I keep reading reports about being able to swap in a 2JZGTE by the engineers being super keen that this is doable and perhaps a feature of the design? I mean, you can swap a 2JZGTE into just about anything with enough welding and fabrication. Is this what they are so proud of claiming or have they engineered hard points into the car and possibly developed adapters to make this swap possible? Because if they haven't, they should really be quiet about it because it's meaningless otherwise.

[bcj]

Also "clutch pack differential".

They've put the transmission on the diff?
That'll make a manual and clutch routing a bit more complicated later on.
And engine / transmission swaps.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by bcj

Also "clutch pack differential".

They've put the transmission on the diff?
That'll make a manual and clutch routing a bit more complicated later on.
And engine / transmission swaps.

Huh? Clutch pack diffs still sit at the rear axle. How else would a diff work if it didn't sit at the axle between the wheels?

[bcj]

Ah. I see it now. Programmable LSD.
I was thinking transaxle like an Alfa GTV6 or Porshe 944.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by bcj

Ah. I see it now. Programmable LSD.
I was thinking transaxle like an Alfa GTV6 or Porshe 944.

Not quite.
A clutch diff, e.g. OSGiken, as opposed to a geared diff, e.g. Quaife.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Not quite.
A clutch diff, e.g. OSGiken, as opposed to a geared diff, e.g. Quaife.


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BMW has had a tendency to use viscous couplings and calling them clutch pack diffs, so I think it's likely the Supra will have one too. It's not a true clutch diff, there are clutch plates but they don't contact, they transfer shear force accross the fluid. The advantage of this is more gradual lock up and longer wear (they're typically good for 60,000 miles, roughly twice as long as a true clutch type)

Reference:
Viscous Type Differential (M Variable): Th*e viscous coupling is often found in all-wheel-drive vehicles. It is commonly used to link the back wheels to the front wheels so that when one set of wheels starts to slip, torque will be transferred to the other set.
http://diffsonline.com/bmw-different...formation.html

[WolfpackS2k]

If all the specification figure we keep hearing are true, this car is going to be hugely overpriced at $60,000.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

BMW has had a tendency to use viscous couplings and calling them clutch pack diffs,

Dammit. I was going to mention viscous diffs but I thought they had gone the way of the dodo so I didn't bother mentioning those.

[vh_supra26]

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[fatoni]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

If all the specification figure we keep hearing are true, this car is going to be hugely overpriced at $60,000.

iirc, its a joint collab with bmw so it only makes sense haha

[Swift]

I still don't get how it is soooooooo many more R&D dollars to "buy" a manual transmission, render and cast a new bellhousing, different driveshaft maybe and a different rear mount. Shit, half the guys on this board have done damn good swaps to proud of that if you didn't know better you would think were stock. I think it would even take less ECU tuning. Don't give me that bull that it can't handle the power either.


The car isn't overprice(if you look at inflation), it is that it better have either more horsepower or be able to carve canyons better than a porsche otherwise they lost the race. By the time it comes out, with our shit luck, a new recession will be starting up and no one can buy it anyways.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Swift

I still don't get how it is soooooooo many more R&D dollars to "buy" a manual transmission, render and cast a new bellhousing, different driveshaft maybe and a different rear mount. Shit, half the guys on this board have done damn good swaps to proud of that if you didn't know better you would think were stock. I think it would even take less ECU tuning. Don't give me that bull that it can't handle the power either.


The car isn't overprice(if you look at inflation), it is that it better have either more horsepower or be able to carve canyons better than a porsche otherwise they lost the race. By the time it comes out, with our shit luck, a new recession will be starting up and no one can buy it anyways.

Don’t forget they have to crash test a manual then sell the manuals. I’d only ever buy it if it was a manual, but most want the auto, so making manuals isn’t a win for them when they only lose people like me—the other types will settle.

The MKIV was overpriced back then. Actually it is still overpriced. The new one will be overpriced compared to others in its class that have more power, are cheaper or have more brand appeal.

[WolfpackS2k]

You can argue in circles about how a high price can be justified, but there's no freaking way it makes sense (or will be successful) sold at a similar price as a Porsche. The Supra name doesn't have that pull. Neither does BMW.