CDC Autocross - Behavior

[echan]

Hey Everyone,

A few people at the last CDC autocross reported to us that several FRS/BRZs were driving dangerously as they left James Wood HS last Sunday (6/15/14) with squealing tires.

Since this occurred just after the CDC autocross and near the school, we have to inform you all that this behavior can cause us to lose the parking lot with the school and only bring more attention to the police.

Please DRIVE RESPONSIBLY ON THE PUBLIC ROADS, ESPECIALLY NEAR ANY AUTOCROSS EVENT (WITH ANY CLUB). I think the general policy with all the clubs is that if they learn of the offenders, the club typically sends the individual a warning and any repeat offense leads to them banned from the club. CDC is no different.

We hate to be a jerk, but it is also no fair for one or few individuals causing the club to lose an autocross location, which affects a few hundred participants.

Ed

[endless_pain]

Come on people, we have a good thing going on, don't screw it up.

[MVJ1975]

While I'm not trying to excuse bad behavior, do note that the stock tire/suspension combo on the twins is very noisy, even without being at particularly dangerous speeds.

When I was on stock tires, they'd scream bloody murder just going around a corner at 20 mph; well within the speed limit of virtually any roadway and not at all dangerous a speed in this car.

[echan]

Originally Posted by MVJ1975

While I'm not trying to excuse bad behavior, do note that the stock tire/suspension combo on the twins is very noisy, even without being at particularly dangerous speeds.

When I was on stock tires, they'd scream bloody murder just going around a corner at 20 mph; well within the speed limit of virtually any roadway and not at all dangerous a speed in this car.

No, this was way beyond tire and suspension noise. We're talking about peeling out in front of the high school and driving full throttle around the exit ramp.

I know that everyone is pumped up after the autocross, but we all need to mentally cool down a little before driving on the public roads. Remember that last year a guy plowed into a family killing a bunch of people in Winchester. So the community is already sensitive to any crazy driving. Basically, if you won't do it in front a police officer, don't do it.

BTW, the guy doing the BBQ is a VA State Trooper.

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by MVJ1975

When I was on stock tires, they'd scream bloody murder just going around a corner at 20 mph; well within the speed limit of virtually any roadway and not at all dangerous a speed in this car.

um


okay


that's sum bullshit right there. The car is perfectly silent, you need to give'er quite a bit in order for her to start to squeal


so yes, you're totally trying to excuse bad behavior.

[MVJ1975]

Originally Posted by echan

No, this was way beyond tire and suspension noise. We're talking about peeling out in front of the high school and driving full throttle around the exit ramp.

I know that everyone is pumped up after the autocross, but we all need to mentally cool down a little before driving on the public roads. Remember that last year a guy plowed into a family killing a bunch of people in Winchester. So the community is already sensitive to any crazy driving. Basically, if you won't do it in front a police officer, don't do it.

BTW, the guy doing the BBQ is a VA State Trooper.

Yeah, that's a bit excessive.

[MVJ1975]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

um


okay


that's sum bullshit right there. The car is perfectly silent, you need to give'er quite a bit in order for her to start to squeal


so yes, you're totally trying to excuse bad behavior.

What tires do you get stock up there? The Bridgestone all-seasons may be different, I have no idea with those, but the Primacy HP we mostly get down here are notoriously screechy, and it's not just me, multiple reviewers have talked about it.

http://carbuzzard.com/2013/08/2013-s...rts-car-thing/

From the review:

An ideosyncrasy of the 2013 FR-S is tire squeal from tight corners at low speeds. It’s the tight limited-slip rear end, folks, not us misbehaving. At least not at this moment.

[sshole]

Can confirm stock Michelin Primacy tires are squealers. Any throttle amount + some steering input (i.e. going around a corner) from, let's say, a stop sign = squeal like I'm trying to do a donut.

[Jaylyons1]

A lot of defensive people in this thread. Tires don't squeal when you're driving responsibly. Don't drive like an ass-hat near events. Whatever you do everywhere else is your business, but we don't want to lose any of the finite number of venues we have.

I will say at my last event, it was the Preludes that went peeling off acting a fool. They were just visiting and not participating. You can't do anything about the spectators and their shenanigans unfortunately.

[jtcahill93]

I got the michelins on mine and I the only time I hear any squealing from them is when I do a left or right turn and romp on the gas other than that it's pretty hard to get them to squeal under normal driving conditions

[nataku]

There is no reason to make tire noises in any car ever outside of a closed course. Sure you might accidentally make a chirp here or there when you hit some iffy terrain, but it's pretty painfully obvious that's not what Ed was talking about here...

[Ocean-Grown 86]

Originally Posted by MVJ1975

What tires do you get stock up there? The Bridgestone all-seasons may be different, I have no idea with those, but the Primacy HP we mostly get down here are notoriously screechy, and it's not just me, multiple reviewers have talked about it.

http://carbuzzard.com/2013/08/2013-s...rts-car-thing/

From the review:

The bridgestone turanza el400s squeal quite easily as well. I've never tried primacys but the turanzas chirp with even small amounts of throttle coming out of a driveway.

[Areddi]

This is all obviously not what Ed is talking about. Autocross is for sophisticated and intelligent people who care about cars and want to push them to the limit in controlled environments, not for yahoos.

If one cannot control oneself and act like an adult, then one should not plan to attend autocross events. Small slip-ups can cost a venue.

The right answer for the culprits is to understand their mistake, and understand why it is important they not do it again, nothing else is required.

[SpectreRT]

Hey there Ed. Sorry to hear that this happened. This situation doesn't leave a positive impression of BRZ/FRS owners... it also frustrates the BRZ/FRS owners that have been attending CDC events for a while now (myself included).

Everyone has seen this post, and we also spread it into BRZ/FRS social media sites. We will ensure that everyone sees this before the next event. I'll also make it a point to talk to BRZ/FRS owners about acting professional on and off the course.

See you next weekend.

Originally Posted by echan

Hey Everyone,

A few people at the last CDC autocross reported to us that several FRS/BRZs were driving dangerously as they left James Wood HS last Sunday (6/15/14) with squealing tires.

Since this occurred just after the CDC autocross and near the school, we have to inform you all that this behavior can cause us to lose the parking lot with the school and only bring more attention to the police.

Please DRIVE RESPONSIBLY ON THE PUBLIC ROADS, ESPECIALLY NEAR ANY AUTOCROSS EVENT (WITH ANY CLUB). I think the general policy with all the clubs is that if they learn of the offenders, the club typically sends the individual a warning and any repeat offense leads to them banned from the club. CDC is no different.

We hate to be a jerk, but it is also no fair for one or few individuals causing the club to lose an autocross location, which affects a few hundred participants.

Ed