valve spring issue?

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Wait....
The sides come off? There can be dust?

Yes, Tcoat. Get a can of compressed air, remove the side (or front or back-whichever comes off when you take out all the screws you can see), get a mask for your face, cover all furniture and fire up the whole house fan.

Fire at the innards of the computer with the compressed till the can is empty.

DO NOT light a cigarette till the dust particles dissipate, because they are explosive.

Put the cover back on and call a home cleaning service to clean your house.


humfrz

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Yes, Tcoat. Get a can of compressed air, remove the side (or front or back-whichever comes off when you take out all the screws you can see), get a mask for your face, cover all furniture and fire up the whole house fan.

Fire at the innards of the computer with the compressed till the can is empty.

DO NOT light a cigarette till the dust particles dissipate, because they are explosive.

Put the cover back on and call a home cleaning service to clean your house.


humfrz

But I have never been trained to open a Dell computer so I will have to take it to a Dell store. Can't take it anyplace else or the idiots there may screw it up. I think I will ask for their Dell certification papers before letting them touch it.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

No reason they couldn't. Give them the specs and let them at it. Are Ferrari techs born with and innate skill? Is there a cult hidden in the mountains where they are trained from birth by monks? Would they be baffled by a Kia engine? How do the poor sods working at independent garages ever manage to fix anything at all if they haven't been trained on every car ever made. The whole concept that they need to be trained on each different make just reeks of ignorance of how engines even work. I get the feeling you think there is something radically different between engines. There isn't.

Reminds me. I knew a guy years ago that bought a Ferrari. Took it in for an oil change and they charged him like $500 (around 1990). He did some research and changing the oil was no harder than your average Chevy. He did them himself from then on.

When I took my new rims and tires to America's Tire yesterday for mounting, the shop guys were oogling over them. When I picked them up, the young guy who helped me load in the truck said he got to do them. He was very proud, said it was the first set of Lotus rims he ever did, and told me how careful he was.

When I had my TRD stuff installed at the Toyota dealer when new, their head Toyota tech wanted to do it all himself. It was the first FRS they got to do performance work on.

There are a lot of guys who care. I've had good luck at local dealers when needed for my cars.

[x808drifter]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

But I have never been trained to open a Dell computer so I will have to take it to a Dell store. Can't take it anyplace else or the idiots there may screw it up. I think I will ask for their Dell certification papers before letting them touch it.

^ Apple Tards in a nutshell.

Also, it's all fun and games till you find a dead rodent in the CPU fan.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by x808drifter

^ Apple Tards in a nutshell.

Also, it's all fun and games till you find a dead rodent in the CPU fan.

OH OH OH I MAY HAVE A DEAD RODENT IN MY FAN?????

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

But I have never been trained to open a Dell computer so I will have to take it to a Dell store. Can't take it anyplace else or the idiots there may screw it up. I think I will ask for their Dell certification papers before letting them touch it.

Well, in that case, you best call Dell and have them send a Dell certified specialist to your house - because, I doubt you are qualified to disconnect and transport a Dell computer -


humfrz

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Well, in that case, you best call Dell and have them send a Dell certified specialist to your house - because, I doubt you are qualified to disconnect and transport a Dell computer -


humfrz

I will just wait for a recall and see if I can get a break on the cost since they have to open it up anyway.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I will just wait for a recall and see if I can get a break on the cost since they have to open it up anyway.

They will have to charge you because it's so dirty, before they do the free recall work - however you would save the charge for the service call.

[notout86]

OK, so the techs have been trained, but that doesn't mean they go away and use "best practice". A classic case is failure to use a torque wrench. If you get a chance to watch them at work I have found it rare for them to have a torque wrench to hand, let alone drop the regular wrench and switch to the torquey as the final step.
Another example is do they tighten in the correct sequence?

[ermax]

My biggest concern would be the packing seal. Remember they were fucking that up straight from the factory in the beginning and that was on new surfaces that didn’t have preexisting packing to properly clean. The biggest consumer of time when I rebuilt my engine was cleaning packing. That isn’t an exaggeration either. This is were techs would cut corners because it’s a pain in the ass to get all of it off.

Items they will touch with packing:
Timing cover
Valve covers
HP fuel pump
Cam subassemblies

Also remember that they are trying to avoid removing the heads (or so they say) so think about scraping packing off a head and shit dropping down in there. If the heads were coming off then you can remove the packing and then flush out what ever dropped in. You should have seen the mess in my garage after spending 3 days (12 hours or so combined) removing this shit. I had to deal with more parts because I was doing a full rebuild but still.

These engines ARE different. They are still engines and techs are fully capable of dealing with them. But people (on this forum) are seriously underestimating how big of a pain in the ass this job is compared to just about any other engine.

[BRZnut]

Originally Posted by ermax

My biggest concern would be the packing seal. Remember they were fucking that up straight from the factory in the beginning and that was on new surfaces that didn’t have preexisting packing to properly clean. The biggest consumer of time when I rebuilt my engine was cleaning packing. That isn’t an exaggeration either. This is were techs would cut corners because it’s a pain in the ass to get all of it off.

Items they will touch with packing:
Timing cover
Valve covers
HP fuel pump
Cam subassemblies

Also remember that they are trying to avoid removing the heads (or so they say) so think about scraping packing off a head and shit dropping down in there. If the heads were coming off then you can remove the packing and then flush out what ever dropped in. You should have seen the mess in my garage after spending 3 days (12 hours or so combined) removing this shit. I had to deal with more parts because I was doing a full rebuild but still.

These engines ARE different. They are still engines and techs are fully capable of dealing with them. But people (on this forum) are seriously underestimating how big of a pain in the ass this job is compared to just about any other engine.

yup, and that is why I am not going to be first in line to get this done.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

let's have a KIA tech work on a ferrari motor just for $hits and giggles

The only real difference between the two is the hourly rate charged by the garage and whether or not you get black coffee or some fancy mocha crap while you wait for the work to be done.

[Dadhawk]

I find the tech qualification discussion amusing. Does no one here ever use an independent garage?

Except for warranty (or recall) type work I always use a local garage. It's a sole proprietorship with the owner and one assistant as the mechanics. Both are "certified master mechanics". They have worked on our Mustang, Volvo C70, Ford Fusion, Suburban, Hondas (car and motorcycle) and if I had the option they would do the work on the FRS for the recall.

Anytime you pull up to their garage you will see the "awaiting service" lot full with every imaginable size and type of vehicles and engines, including a boat or two.

That said, I've never had a bad experience with mechanical work done by a dealership, including some "invasive" warranty work and full car respray on the paint. Maybe I've just been lucky.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I find the tech qualification discussion amusing. Does no one here ever use an independent garage?

Except for warranty (or recall) type work I always use a local garage. It's a sole proprietorship with the owner and one assistant as the mechanics. Both are "certified master mechanics". They have worked on our Mustang, Volvo C70, Ford Fusion, Suburban, Hondas (car and motorcycle) and if I had the option they would do the work on the FRS for the recall.

Anytime you pull up to their garage you will see the "awaiting service" lot full with every imaginable size and type of vehicles and engines, including a boat or two.

That said, I've never had a bad experience with mechanical work done by a dealership, including some "invasive" warranty work and full car respray on the paint. Maybe I've just been lucky.

I have no doubt they will be fine with the task but I still would rather wait for them to get some practice. Have you ever done a job on a car, even using the service manual to the T and not walked away saying, "if I did this job again I would do XYZ"? Here is an example on the FA20, when you repack the timing cover and go to install it there aren't any guiding studs and you have to slap it on in perfect alignment. If you misplace it just the slightest bit and have to slide it around to match the bolt holes you will smear the packing all over the place. In a perfect world you would pull it back off, clean it up (pain in the ass even if it hasn't hardened yet) and reapply. So, after doing my cover I said, "if I have to do this again I will buy 4 3in threaded studs to place at the four corners of the engine so the cover will be forced into alignment before the surfaces make contact". Does the manual say anything about this? Nope. Would a tech who has done the job before know this and have some studs on hand, probably.


Hopefully part of the delay on the full details of the fix are them working on special tools, more detailed instructions and some training material.