Are taiwanese/Chinese big brakes a good idea? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Tk rocket · 10-30-2018, 12:28 AM

Ideally for my application I would like to have brembo/ endless/ project mu etc something but my car but it doesn't seem there is a application for the prius.

I originally was gonna go with R1 concepts BBK made in taiwan. (cost of it was about 2200 for a 6 pot /356mm drilled rotor/ss line etc.

I figure well if I'm gonna go china /taiwan brakes there quality can't be too diff from the other. From my understanding alot of these brakes all come from the same factory with their own company logo and mark up.

There's a company called PB brakes (Phat boy brakes in taiwan) where I could get a similar set up for about 1150 shipped from taiwan.

PB can be had w/ out the logo's on the caliper

Thoughts?

Mr.ac · 10-30-2018, 12:47 AM

Honestly just buy bbk covers. You drive a Prius, who you trying to fool?
Joking aside, I'll be a tad bit worried if these are castings. If they are machined I'll trust it a bit more.
I'll pay a bit extra for the extended warranty if they offer it.

Tk rocket · 10-30-2018, 12:51 AM

It's all for the bling! Lol a caliper cover wouldn't have the nice looking large 2 peice rotor and nice caliper. I have the same wheel on my car and it looks amazing behind them

I imagine they are cast tho not forged like you said.

ZionsWrath · 10-30-2018, 12:55 AM

2200 is same price as ap racing isn't it. Brembo is more but its brembos yo, lol

BBK is a big purchase, I'd save the extra cash for the one you really want

I was very happy with AP racing Sprint

churchx · 10-30-2018, 02:13 AM

BBK on Prius? Which is to save money on fuel, will never be tracked, and trying to bling it out will make one look poser. Next will be questions regarding BBKs/flush fitment/hella-camber for eighteenwheelers.

Mr.ac · 10-30-2018, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by churchx

BBK on Prius? Which is to save money on fuel, will never be tracked, and trying to bling it out will make one look poser. Next will be questions regarding BBKs/flush fitment/hella-camber for eighteenwheelers.

Don't even try to understand it. It's part of the Honduh/hellaflush/stance fad.

It's the same mentality that make people buy $300+ Nikes. It's still the exact $70 shoe with more "limited" colors. But whatever. Just point and laugh. We don't get it. They also point and laugh at us.

CSG Mike · 10-30-2018, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

2200 is same price as ap racing isn't it. Brembo is more but its brembos yo, lol

BBK is a big purchase, I'd save the extra cash for the one you really want

I was very happy with AP racing Sprint

CSG Brembo V1 is less than any AP kit!

https://www.counterspacegarage.com/b...k-gt86-brz-frs

F40 caliper, about 16mm wider than a PP Brembo, includes pads, etc etc

ZionsWrath · 10-30-2018, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

CSG Brembo V1 is less than any AP kit!

https://www.counterspacegarage.com/b...k-gt86-brz-frs

F40 caliper, about 16mm wider than a PP Brembo, includes pads, etc etc

There you have it, win win

And now I just realized this thread is about a Prius. In any case big brakes look cool on any car IMO

Racecomp Engineering · 10-30-2018, 09:35 AM

The amount of rotor runout (axial and lateral) and measurable caliper flex I saw on a low end BBK was insane. I would never run them on my personal car for any reason (and would not sell them to anyone).

It was shiny and had 6 pistons though!

- Andrew

Tk rocket · 10-30-2018, 03:39 PM

Wilwood is no better and they are a "name brand"

Tcoat · 10-30-2018, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tk rocket

I figure well if I'm gonna go china /taiwan brakes there quality can't be too diff from the other.?

No this is not even remotely true. Not even a little. Not at all.
You will get what you pay for. End of story.

Tcoat · 10-30-2018, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

The amount of rotor runout (axial and lateral) and measurable caliper flex I saw on a low end BBK was insane. I would never run them on my personal car for any reason (and would not sell them to anyone).

It was shiny and had 6 pistons though!

- Andrew

We test various different rotors and calipers every day. Some of the stuff that comes out of Chine is fine and some is complete and total trash that only a fool would put on their car. They may look fine but that is where it ends. It isn't the county that they are made in or even the plants that actually make them it is the specifications and acceptable quality criteria of the company that orders them that is at fault. Some have very stringent requirements and all ISO and QS Standards must be met so you have a product that is the same as made anyplace else in the world. Some have the basic requirements of being shiny and having 6 pistons. Those are not so great and could actually kill you.

Leonardo · 10-30-2018, 03:58 PM

If you are going for the bling factor of having a cool BBK; Don't fake it and get a generic looking kit.

People will ask "are those brembos?" And you will have to say, "nah I saved a few pennies and got Chinese parts."

That story sucks.

Tk rocket · 10-30-2018, 05:49 PM

Had brembo gts on my civic. I just can't find off the shelf kits for my application except the made taiwan stuff.

R1 concepts
Pb brakes
Alliance(made by made pb)
Futura design(made by pb)
Ceika brakes
Ksport

10-30-2018, 12:28 AM	#1
Tk rocket Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Drives: Prius Location: Back in socal Posts: 155 Thanks: 3 Thanked 89 Times in 36 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Are taiwanese/Chinese big brakes a good idea? Ideally for my application I would like to have brembo/ endless/ project mu etc something but my car but it doesn't seem there is a application for the prius. I originally was gonna go with R1 concepts BBK made in taiwan. (cost of it was about 2200 for a 6 pot /356mm drilled rotor/ss line etc. I figure well if I'm gonna go china /taiwan brakes there quality can't be too diff from the other. From my understanding alot of these brakes all come from the same factory with their own company logo and mark up. There's a company called PB brakes (Phat boy brakes in taiwan) where I could get a similar set up for about 1150 shipped from taiwan. PB can be had w/ out the logo's on the caliper Thoughts?

10-30-2018, 12:47 AM	#2
Mr.ac [insert cool phrase here] Join Date: Aug 2015 Drives: BRZ Premium Location: Central Coast CA Posts: 2,369 Thanks: 709 Thanked 1,558 Times in 930 Posts Mentioned: 30 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Honestly just buy bbk covers. You drive a Prius, who you trying to fool? Joking aside, I'll be a tad bit worried if these are castings. If they are machined I'll trust it a bit more. I'll pay a bit extra for the extended warranty if they offer it. __________________ New daily driver - Subaru BRZ Premium Weekend fun/track car - '91 MR2 Turbo Gen3 Old daily driver - '88 MR2 Supercharged

10-30-2018, 12:55 AM	#4
ZionsWrath Thanks Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: BRZ Location: NY Posts: 4,163 Thanks: 5,989 Thanked 3,100 Times in 1,498 Posts Mentioned: 38 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	2200 is same price as ap racing isn't it. Brembo is more but its brembos yo, lol BBK is a big purchase, I'd save the extra cash for the one you really want I was very happy with AP racing Sprint __________________

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10-30-2018, 12:51 AM	#3
Tk rocket Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Drives: Prius Location: Back in socal Posts: 155 Thanks: 3 Thanked 89 Times in 36 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It's all for the bling! Lol a caliper cover wouldn't have the nice looking large 2 peice rotor and nice caliper. I have the same wheel on my car and it looks amazing behind them I imagine they are cast tho not forged like you said.

10-30-2018, 02:13 AM	#5
churchx Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Drives: 2014 GT86 Location: Latvia, Riga Posts: 4,333 Thanks: 696 Thanked 2,085 Times in 1,436 Posts Mentioned: 53 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	BBK on Prius? Which is to save money on fuel, will never be tracked, and trying to bling it out will make one look poser. Next will be questions regarding BBKs/flush fitment/hella-camber for eighteenwheelers.

10-30-2018, 09:35 AM	#9
Racecomp Engineering Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 2016 BRZ, 2012 Paris Di2 & 2018 STI Location: Severn, MD Posts: 5,406 Thanks: 3,419 Thanked 7,241 Times in 2,962 Posts Mentioned: 303 Post(s) Tagged: 9 Thread(s)	The amount of rotor runout (axial and lateral) and measurable caliper flex I saw on a low end BBK was insane. I would never run them on my personal car for any reason (and would not sell them to anyone). It was shiny and had 6 pistons though! - Andrew

10-30-2018, 03:39 PM	#10
Tk rocket Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Drives: Prius Location: Back in socal Posts: 155 Thanks: 3 Thanked 89 Times in 36 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Wilwood is no better and they are a "name brand"

10-30-2018, 05:49 PM	#14
Tk rocket Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Drives: Prius Location: Back in socal Posts: 155 Thanks: 3 Thanked 89 Times in 36 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Had brembo gts on my civic. I just can't find off the shelf kits for my application except the made taiwan stuff. R1 concepts Pb brakes Alliance(made by made pb) Futura design(made by pb) Ceika brakes Ksport

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