Jumped over a curb

[allowe]

Originally Posted by jcrAggie2020

You don't happen do own a mustang as well do you?

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That was the biggest mustang move! 😂


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[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by allowe

I was being an idiot . I put too much throttle in. Anyways lesson learned haha. I'm just seriously hoping it's just the toe arm and an alignment

It most likely is just that.

Now that you know what can happen when there's no magical tech between you and your right foot, you have started your journey toward being an actually skilled driver. Leave them off. Find a place to wipe out safely and go practice recovery.

I spun mine within 5 days. In a safe place. Gotta find the limits.

[guybo]

Well, I'll play the role of the devil's advocate here.

Check out the suspension on that side and compare it to the other side. Even take pictures and measurements to see if anything else is bent. Maybe even just say screw it and take this opportunity to upgrade your suspension- get adjustable camber arms, upgraded toe arms etc. The more you replace, the less potential to miss something that got bent.

Then try and do your own alignment. If you know anything about geometry and you have a level, string, carpenter's square and time you can dial in a rough alignment yourself. Look online for a tutorial on it.

With my last car I installed front cambolts and using those tools, I calculated what my camber was and it was very accurate to what the alignment shop found. Toe is a little more of a PITA but that comes down to meticulous measurements and using string.

[allowe]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

It most likely is just that.

Now that you know what can happen when there's no magical tech between you and your right foot, you have started your journey toward being an actually skilled driver. Leave them off. Find a place to wipe out safely and go practice recovery.

I spun mine within 5 days. In a safe place. Gotta find the limits.

Thanks for the positive feedback!

I honestly love driving it without the nannies. I was doing great for a while. Even when I lost the back, I always knew how to bring it back at low speeds but I was coming of off work, I'm excited as all hell because I had no sleep and I work a nightshift. Had so much adrenaline.

There is a huge parking lot near my house I'll probably go practice there.


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[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by allowe

There is a huge parking lot near my house I'll probably go practice there.

Drive in a big circle up to the limit and then lift. Lift-oversteer is probably the biggest eye opener when it comes to vehicle dynamics.

[jcrAggie2020]

Originally Posted by Vracer111

What does having traction control off ultimately have to do with hitting a curb? If traction control was on, the front end could have just plowed into the curb... and that would be more expensive. I had a situation where was turning in under an overpass and aparrently hit a swath of loose dirt like material that was spread all over the road - right in the middle of turn in. Was in the outside lane which has a curb running along it, and immediately when felt the front end start washing out I got on the accelerator and initiated a serious rear correction, and JUST cleared the curb while staying in the lane. If the traction/stability control systems were on, the front end would have most definitely washed out completely and would have ended up smacking into the curb - there was no distance to allow the power to be cut and front to understeer back into grip and clear the curb. And if I have a choice, its going to be the rear I'd want to make contact with curb, not the front.

The traction control on the FR-S is not that great, the Nissan Frontier I recently picked up has a better and MUCH more useful TC and stability system. In the FR-S, I drive without the traction and stability system on 100% of the time - the car is much more predictable and responsive with it disengaged.

Because by turning traction control off this fool was wishing to hit a curb. Probably watched Tokyo drift and the fan boy in him got a boner and he went for a drive

[zberz]

Originally Posted by jcrAggie2020

Because by turning traction control off this fool was wishing to hit a curb. Probably watched Tokyo drift and the fan boy in him got a boner and he went for a drive

Let's be real, turning traction control off doesn't cause the car to spin wildly, driving like a jackass does. We've all done it, except sometimes, the traction control says "I got you" and saves us from ourselves.

This guy is being honest about driving like a jackass and is just asking for some help in fixing it. Let's not beat him up too much more over it. 😉
@allowe: Hope you get it all fixed. It seems like you've learned something, and considering no-one was hurt, I'm glad you did. It could've ended up worse.


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[allowe]

Originally Posted by zberz

Let's be real, turning traction control off doesn't cause the car to spin wildly, driving like a jackass does. We've all done it, except sometimes, the traction control says "I got you" and saves us from ourselves.

This guy is being honest about driving like a jackass and is just asking for some help in fixing it. Let's not beat him up too much more over it. 😉
@allowe: Hope you get it all fixed. It seems like you've learned something, and considering no-one was hurt, I'm glad you did. It could've ended up worse.


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Hey thanks for you reply!

Yea I'm 100% aware I fucked up. It could've been avoided in so many ways but I'm so glad that many other things didn't happen like for example, hurt someone else, total my car, another car, etc. Now I just gotta figure out how to fix it. From what I can tell it's just a toe arm and an alignment. I'll find out more once I put the arm in and get it aligned


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[Dake]

Originally Posted by Vracer111

What does having traction control off ultimately have to do with hitting a curb? If traction control was on, the front end could have just plowed into the curb... and that would be more expensive. I had a situation where was turning in under an overpass and aparrently hit a swath of loose dirt like material that was spread all over the road - right in the middle of turn in. Was in the outside lane which has a curb running along it, and immediately when felt the front end start washing out I got on the accelerator and initiated a serious rear correction, and JUST cleared the curb while staying in the lane. If the traction/stability control systems were on, the front end would have most definitely washed out completely and would have ended up smacking into the curb - there was no distance to allow the power to be cut and front to understeer back into grip and clear the curb. And if I have a choice, its going to be the rear I'd want to make contact with curb, not the front.

The traction control on the FR-S is not that great, the Nissan Frontier I recently picked up has a better and MUCH more useful TC and stability system. In the FR-S, I drive without the traction and stability system on 100% of the time - the car is much more predictable and responsive with it disengaged.

Your example is not the same as what the OP reported.

The OP was making a left, got on the gas too much, and swapped ends. In this instance, TC would have done exactly what it's meant to do by stopping the spin.

In your instance, the front end washed out due to loss of grip. That you managed to oversteer your way out of it in those tight confines was luck as much as anything else. If the rear end got into the same patch of loose material it would have simply been accelerated into the curb more quickly.

Ultimately, either end of this car is bad to hit like that. I do agree though that it's very controllable with the nannies turned off if you pay attention, however all it takes is a moment's inattention and the laws of physics take over.

[zberz]

Originally Posted by allowe

Hey thanks for you reply!

Yea I'm 100% aware I fucked up. It could've been avoided in so many ways but I'm so glad that many other things didn't happen like for example, hurt someone else, total my car, another car, etc. Now I just gotta figure out how to fix it. From what I can tell it's just a toe arm and an alignment. I'll find out more once I put the arm in and get it aligned


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Exactly, I've had an expensive mistake too, and learned a "cheap" lesson because it could've been worse. Hope you get it all fixed. Wish I could help but suspension and steering aren't my strong points. Good luck.

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[thomasmryan]

listen for the bearing....

[Vracer111]

Originally Posted by Dake

Your example is not the same as what the OP reported.

The OP was making a left, got on the gas too much, and swapped ends. In this instance, TC would have done exactly what it's meant to do by stopping the spin.

In your instance, the front end washed out due to loss of grip. That you managed to oversteer your way out of it in those tight confines was luck as much as anything else. If the rear end got into the same patch of loose material it would have simply been accelerated into the curb more quickly.

Ultimately, either end of this car is bad to hit like that. I do agree though that it's very controllable with the nannies turned off if you pay attention, however all it takes is a moment's inattention and the laws of physics take over.

What exactly happened with OP wasn't known at the time I posted, so I assumed road conditions helped contribute to the curbing.

In my example, material was all over the road going into and just under the overpass... meaning front then rear was in loose material through the entire turn sequence...had to balance front and rear through a near 90 degree arc skating on loose material at 20'ish mph while not swinging the rear out too much because there was no room to do so. I used what I have learned from autocross and track experience over the years to try and guide the car through the turn, but do agree some 'luck' was involved that kept me from curbing. You are correct, if I wasn't paying attention and noticed something wasn't right on the road just before hitting the material, it would have resulted in a pretty bad curbing.

I do know that if the traction control was on in that situation I wouldn 't have had a chance...I would have just had to ride it out into the curbing.

[jeepmor]

A close inspection and comparison to the opposite side (assuming it's fine) might show you any minor tweaking that may have occurred, especially on that thing that looks bent in the second image. Sway bar link? That might foul up the feel a bit as it's bent and might be putting a pull/lean to your driving a straight line if bent far enough to place a load on the suspension.

Hope this helps. Best of luck fixing it, hope it's a cheap ouch. My wife curbing mine wasn't, she cost me a front clip and paint, a control arm and alignment. On the bright side, it fully recovered and drives just like it did pre-wife curb whack.