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Old 04-14-2020, 04:03 PM   #2241
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Agreed, but I just don't want to hear it from that reviewer, he is terrible.
Yeah, he's quite thorough, but a bit long-winded and overly enthusiastic. Same goes for Doug DeMuro and Scotty Kilmer. (Like nails on a chalkboard!)

There will be great reviews soon enough on the A91 3.0 and 2.0 from TheStraightPipes, Throttle House, TheSmokingTire, DRIVETRIBE, MattMaranMotoring and Redline Reviews to name a few.
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Yeah, that's a shame.

In the future, I'll likely exclude the Supra from any cross-shopping unless I get an injury to my left leg or something.
im actually more excited about the 2nd gen 86 if the turbo, AWD, MT rumors pens out to be true vs 4 cly Zupra. a spiritual successor to Celica GT4
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Supra either on the 3.0 lt or the 2.0 lt version is too heavy ...
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im actually more excited about the 2nd gen 86 if the turbo, AWD, MT rumors pens out to be true vs 4 cly Zupra. a spiritual successor to Celica GT4
I'm probably more excited too, but I also feel like they could butcher a second gen.

They don't need two homologation cars to do rally racing, and the GR Yaris is probably better anyways, so I don't see a Celica GT4 successor.

RWD>AWD for weight, fun.
AWD<RWD off the line and off road.

I really hope it isn't AWD. I wouldn't mind the 3 cylinder turbo, but I'm sure it'll be another 4-cylinder NA 2.0-2.4L boxer under the hood.
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im actually more excited about the 2nd gen 86 if the turbo, AWD, MT rumors pens out to be true vs 4 cly Zupra. a spiritual successor to Celica GT4

I don't think any of those have even been rumors, that's literally a WRX. There can only be one, this isn't the 90s with model overlap.
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The WRX already has AWD and with the 2.0 Supra, the mid-200-hp turbo 4 cylinder is also covered. I don't see how Subaru or Toyota would do either option on the next gen "twin"...if there even is one.

Granted we've all seen and heard news from both Subaru and Toyota talking about the next gen 86 and BRZ. But that could easily sway to the demise of the model, especially considering how the automotive industry's facing this new economical decline.

The WRX already is the dominant high-performance variant in the Subaru lineup. The Supra is the latest and greatest sports car for Toyota. Is it too soon to "drive the nail in the coffin" of the BRZ/86? Time will tell. But with the new 2.0 Supra, I hardly find a reason for yet another in a world where sports coupes and sports cars are a risky and costly campaign for most automotive companies.
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The WRX already has AWD and with the 2.0 Supra, the mid-200-hp turbo 4 cylinder is also covered. I don't see how Subaru or Toyota would do either option on the next gen "twin"...if there even is one.

Granted we've all seen and heard news from both Subaru and Toyota talking about the next gen 86 and BRZ. But that could easily sway to the demise of the model, especially considering how the automotive industry's facing this new economical decline.

The WRX already is the dominant high-performance variant in the Subaru lineup. The Supra is the latest and greatest sports car for Toyota. Is it too soon to "drive the nail in the coffin" of the BRZ/86? Time will tell. But with the new 2.0 Supra, I hardly find a reason for yet another in a world where sports coupes and sports cars are a risky and costly campaign for most automotive companies.
Include a couple of wild cards and I'm starting to have doubts about any new 86 v. 2.0.

First, the rumors of an upcoming U.S. spec Corolla Hot Hatch GR are very firm, confirmed in another forum by an engineer working on the project. Where would a new 86 fit in to the pricing matrix?

Then we have the new TMNA CEO, Japan expat Ogawa, who has no prior retail field experience and seems positioned to cut costs after the former CEO, dealer favorite American Lentz, acquired massive long term debt with North American plants and HQ relocation to Plano.

I'm thinking Ogawa will be taking a chainsaw to the balance sheet given what's happening to the income statement this year.

This is all complete speculation but as we saw with the Scion brand, Toyota will cut their losses as needed. The biggest reason Toyota would proceed with a new 86 IMO would be to support JDM bro Subaru during this auto industry crisis where standing by while one of their own fails would be bad form in the homeland.
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2020 Toyota GR Supra 2.0L
INTRODUCTION
  • New 2.0-litre engine option for the Toyota GR Supra
  • Retaining all GR Supra’s qualities as a sports car in its purest form
  • Dynamic benefits gained from using a more compact, lighter power unit – saving of up to 100 kg in vehicle kerb weight

THE TOYOTA GR SUPRA has made a remarkable impact in its first year on sale, affirming its status as a sports car in its purest form, designed and engineered for the joy of driving. As the first global model to be developed by TOYOTA GAZOO Racing, it has drawn on Toyota’s sports car heritage while exploring new horizons of handling and performance.

Now the range is being extended in Europe for the first time with the established 3.0-litre six-cylinder turbocharged engine being joined by a new 2.0-litre four-cylinder turbo unit.

The new 2.0-litre engine widens GR Supra’s market appeal and, being lighter and more compact than the 3.0-litre unit, improves the car’s inertia characteristics and chassis balance for even sharper handling.

Where weight is concerned, the entry-level GR Supra 2.0 weighs 100 kg less than its 3.0-litre equivalent, a saving that further strengthens the car’s dynamic performance. The engine’s shorter length means its mass is located closer to the centre of the car, supporting an ideal front/rear balance and better inertia characteristics.

Although power is less – 258 DIN hp/190 kW – the engine’s performance is rewarding, supported by a muscular 400 Nm of torque available across a wide range of engine speeds, harnessed through an eight-speed, rapid-shifting ZF automatic transmission. Nought to 100 km/h can be accomplished in just 5.2 seconds with GR Supra’s launch control system, and top speed matches the 3.0-litre model at an electronically governed 250 km/h.

Production of the Toyota GR Supra 2.0 began in January with first deliveries to European customers from March.

GR SUPRA: A SPORTS CAR IN ITS PUREST FORM

The Toyota GR Supra has been conceived as a sports car in its purest form, with a front engine/rear-wheel drive configuration, compact, two-seater design and dimensions that achieve the “golden ratio” for optimum handling. Chief Engineer Tetsuya Tada adhered to the classic form of a front-mounted engine driving the rear wheels, building on the heritage of Toyota’s past Supra generations and original 2000GT sports car.

Toyota GR Supra Chief Designer Nobuo Nakamura gave his team a simple brief, so that they were free to express their vision of a pure and individual sports car in a truly original design. The key words he used were “Condensed Extreme”. This refers directly to the vehicle’s packaging, comprising three principal elements: a short wheelbase, large wheels and a wide stance; a taut, two-seat cabin; and a long bonnet with a compact body, reflecting the drivetrain combination of a front engine and rear-wheel drive.

In the finished design, the ‘Condensed’ theme is evident in the relationship between the GR Supra’s large-diameter tyres, short wheelbase and overall length. ‘Extreme’ is interpreted in the car’s wide stance, with tight cabin proportions and a broad tread, contributing to a high level of manœuvrability and stability.

The only external design elements that distinguish the 2.0-litre GR Supra from the 3.0-litre model are the 18-inch wheels and a 90 mm diameter bright chrome finisher for the exhaust tailpipe (in place of the 100 mm brushed stainless steel finisher on the more powerful model).

In the cabin, the driver’s cockpit neatly combines sports car elements with ultra-modern functionality. Designed to help the driver focus entirely on the business of driving, it is directly influenced by the layout found in single-seater race cars.

The low, slim horizontal dashboard maximises the forward view through the windscreen, helping the driver place the car with precision in high-speed driving, while the principal controls are tightly grouped for quick and easy operation. The instrument panel, centre console and door trim are combined in a seamless design that gives the cockpit a strong, unified feel.

The GR Supra’s seats have a racing-influenced design that ensures comfort at all times and excellent support, in particular if the car is being used on-track. Body-holding side bolsters are featured on the cushion and high back, and there is an integrated head restraint.

Driving enthusiasts enjoy an exhilarating blend of power, agility and precision handling, delivered by the car’s combination of a short wheelbase and wide track, light weight, low centre of gravity and highly rigid body. To be certain that the car delivered on its promise, Toyota President Akio Toyoda put it to the test himself at the Nürburgring in his role as a Master Driver before giving it the final green light.

TOYOTA GAZOO Racing was instrumental in honing the new sports car’s performance, working on the famous Nürburgring Nordschleife and surrounding roads in Germany to achieve the most agile, stable and rewarding handling possible. Further extensive testing was carried out on roads around the world.

PERFORMANCE
High-performance 2.0-litre engine with twin-scroll turbocharger
258 DIN hp/190 kW and 400 Nm of torque
Eight-speed ZF automatic transmission with ultra-fast shifting
Launch control system enables 0-100 km/h acceleration in 5.2 seconds
Active differential available in optional Sport Pack
2.0-LITRE TURBO ENGINE

The engine deployed in the GR Supra 2.0 is a 1,998 cc in-line four-cylinder DOHC 16-valve petrol unit with a twin-scroll turbocharger. It is engineered for agile, powerful acceleration, perfectly suited to the GR Supra’s character as a sports car in its purest form.

Maximum power is 258 DIN hp/190 kW at 5,000-6,000 rpm, while peak torque of 400 Nm is available across an impressive span of revs, from 1,550 to 4,000 rpm. This enables 0-100 km/h acceleration in 5.2 seconds (with launch control function, see below); top speed is electronically limited to 250 km/h.

A motor-actuated variable valve-timing system provides precise control of the opening and closing of both the inlet and exhaust valves in line with the driving situation to achieve high torque across all engine speeds and high output at high engine revs. In addition, the variable valve lift on the intake side reduces pumping losses, improvingthe engine’s efficiency.

The direct fuel injection system operates at high pressure – 35 MPa – to provide spray atomisation and finely calibrated control to gain high combustion efficiency.

The path from the exhaust to the twin-scroll turbocharger is split into two parts to suppress exhaust gas interference between the cylinders. This allows the turbo to operate from lower engine rpm, givingdirect response to the driver’s use of the throttle. Boost pressure is minutely controlled in line with the required torque by means of an electric wastegate valve. This gives excellent boost response for powerful driving performance.

To reduce vibration and enhance smooth, quiet running, the engine is equipped with two balancer shafts.

Sports car performance does not come at a high cost in terms of fuel consumption and emissions: the 2.0-litre turbo achieves 5.9 to 6.3 l/100 km and 135 to 143 g/km CO2emissions (NEDC correlated figures).

TRANSMISSION

The engine is matched to an eight-speed ZF automatic transmission that provides lightning-fast up and downshifts, with short ratios used for the lower gears. The driver can take control of gear changes using paddle shifts on the steering wheel; they can also select Normal or Sport driving modes to suit their preference and the conditions (details below).

A Launch Control function enables powerful acceleration from standstill with maximum traction, helping the car move from rest to 100 km/h in just 5.2 seconds (this operates when SPORT drive mode is selected).

ACTIVE DIFFERENTIAL

An Active Differential is provided as part of the optional Sport Pack for the GR Supra 2.0, in place of the standard, open differential. It operates both when accelerating and decelerating and can seamlessly adjust from zero to full, 100% lock, with instant response.

A dedicated ECU monitors a wide range of inputs, including steering wheel, throttle and brake pressure, engine and wheel speed and yaw rate, for appropriate triggering of the actuator. The torque difference between the left and right wheels is controlled flexibly and seamlessly depending on the driving situation.

This delivers huge benefits in stability and efficiency when the tyres are reaching their performance limit. The effect is felt in all phases of cornering, with increased stability during the braking and cornering phases and then maximum grip as the driver accelerates out of the bend. Operation is adjusted when Sport mode is selected to give more efficient cornering in high-speed driving, for example when using the Toyota GR Supra on a circuit.

CHASSIS
Compact and lightweight 2.0-litre engine yields dynamic benefits that give the GR Supra 2.0 its own distinct character
More compact engine means mass is located closer to the centre of the car, improving inertia characteristics and making ideal 50:50 front/rear weight balance easier to achieve
Up to 100 kg weight saving compared to GR Supra 3.0
DYNAMIC BENEFITS

The smaller size and reduced weight of the new engine bring specific dynamic benefits to the GR Supra.

Where the 2.0-litre model is concerned, the car tips the scales 100 kg lighter than its 3.0-litre counterpart. And because the engine is more compact, its mass is located closer to the centre of the vehicle, making it easier to secure an ideal 50:50 front-rear weight balance and improving its inertia characteristics. This contributes to the car’s responsiveness, agility and confidence-inspiring handling.

“To achieve agile steering and stable cornering, we worked very hard to reduce the new car’s weight, while aiming for a 50:50 weight balance,” said GR Supra Chief Engineer Tetsuya Tada. “This presented us with huge challenges, but we did not want to compromise on our targets.”

IDEAL CHASSIS BALANCE

A car’s wheelbase and track dimensions are the first thing to consider when starting the design process with a clean sheet of paper. Where the Toyota GR Supra is concerned, these were defined in order to prioritise the car’s agility and handling.

The key calculation is the ratio between the wheelbase length and the track. It is widely recognised that the best balance of agility and stability is obtained with a ratio of between 1.5 and 1.6; achieving the 1.55 “golden ratio” was thus the starting point for the GR Supra development team, the key building block on which everything else has been optimised. (For reference: wheelbase = 2,470 mm; rear track = 1,589 mm).

SUSPENSION

The high body rigidity allowed for more precise and detailed refinements to the suspension geometry and tuning of the shock absorbers. The suspension design comprises double-joint-type MacPherson struts at the front and a five-link system at the rear.

The front suspension subframe and control arm mounting points have been made extremely rigid to yield precise cornering characteristics, while the use of aluminium for the control arms and swivel bearings reduces the car’s unsprung weight, giving superior agility and efficiency. There are also high-performance wheel hubs with an increased camber and optimised kinematics.

The rear suspension benefits from a similarly lightweight design for the rigid subframe and the bracing that connects it to the body, helping ensure extremely precise wheel control. The multi-arm design enables excellent tyre-ground contact to achieve direct steering response and excellent handling and stability.

ADAPTIVE VARIABLE SUSPENSION

The Adaptive Variable Suspension (AVS), available as part of the optional Sport Pack, enhances performance with instant response to changes in the road surface, adjusting the shock absorber force at each wheel to maintain a flat vehicle posture, excellent steering response and supple ride comfort. Sensors constantly monitor the way the car is being driven and the road conditions, controlling the damping force accordingly.

The driver can choose between two AVS modes – NORMAL and SPORT – to suit their mood or the driving conditions. NORMAL mode strikes a high balance between vehicle stability and ride comfort, enabling a sporty drive without sacrificing comfort. SPORT mode delivers a flat vehicle posture, reduced body roll and a more agile steering response.

STEERING

The electric power steering is rack-assisted and sports tuned. Its characteristics are automatically adjusted in accordance with vehicle speed, reducing the level of effort needed at lower speeds and gradually weighting up to offer greater control and stability at higher speeds. When driving in SPORT mode, steering effort is increased, in line with the changes to the chassis and powertrain.

Steering control and responsiveness are supported by a small-diameter, leather-wrapped three-spoke steering wheel with a cross-section shaped to provide the best grip in different driving situations. Contributing to a more engaging drive, paddle shifts are mounted on the steering wheel, and for convenience and minimal driver distraction, there are controls for the audio, hands-free phone operation and cruise control.

WHEELS AND TYRES

The GR Supra 2.0 is fitted as standard with 18-inch forged alloy wheels with a bright machined finish. To optimise the balance of front and rear grip, larger wheels and tyres are used at the rear. The specific Michelin Pilot Sport tyres are 255/40 ZR18 front and 275/40 ZR18 rear.

BRAKING SYSTEMS

The standard braking system for the GR Supra 2.0 is a lightweight, aluminium system that provides stable stopping performance and excellent controllability. It features floating, single-pot callipers and ventilated discs front and rear. An electronic parking brake is fitted as standard.

A sports braking system is available as part of the optional Sport Pack. This equips the car with red aluminium Brembo callipers emblazoned with the Supra logo – opposed four-piston units at the front and floating single-piston at the rear. The larger ventilated discs measure 348 x 36 mm at the front and 345 x 24 mm at the rear.

The brakes are equipped with standby, drying and anti-fade functions: the drying function applies the brakes at pre-determined intervals when the car’s windscreen wipers are operating to dry the discs; fade prevention automatically increases brake pressure when the discs become hot.

ABS, Brake Assist, Vehicle Stability Control, Traction Control, and Hill-start Assist Control are also featured as standard, together with Active Cornering Assist, which creates additional yaw movements by independent braking intervention to improve agility and line-tracing.

SELECTABLE DRIVE MODES

The driver can choose between two drive modes – NORMAL and SPORT – to adjust the car’s response and performance to suit the conditions, their personal preference.

Selecting SPORT mode sharpens throttle response, increases the exhaust note and adds weight to the steering. Transmission shifts are adjusted so that high revs are held slightly longer. Where Adaptive Variable Suspension is fitted, damping force is increased. The optional limited-slip differential also adapts for more efficient cornering, to suit circuit driving, for example.

In addition, there is also a TRACTION mode for the Vehicle Stability Control. This allows for a degree of tyre slip, even when the VSC is active.


INTERVIEW: HERWIG DAENENS, TOYOTA MASTER DRIVER
HERWIG DAENENS WAS THE TOYOTA MASTER DRIVER for the development of the GR Supra – both the 3.0 and 2.0-litre models, which were developed side-by-side in an extensive programme that took place on circuits and a wide variety of different roads around the world. Here he gives a first-hand insight to the detailed work carried out to ensure the Supra 2.0 achieved its handling performance goals.

What were the targets for the GR Supra 2.0 in terms of the driving experience?

They were similar to those for the 3.0 model, in that we set ourselves the target of matching the dynamic performance of one its key competitors.

What are the principal differences when it comes to handling, agility and responsiveness, compared to the 3.0-litre model?

It is not a question of one version being better than the other – they are both great cars in their own way. With the 3.0-litre you have tremendous power and silky-smooth performance of the six-cylinder engine, while the lighter, 2.0-litre combines a decent level of engine performance with even sharper handling DNA.

How significant were the size, weight and location of the engine in defining the Supra 2.0’s performance?

The location of the engine is part of the vehicle’s basic architecture. With Supra we have made a huge engineering effort to push the powertrain as far back in the car and position it as low as possible. Of course, engine size is an important factor, and actually determines its location. And, as in any sports car, you want to keep the weight of the engine, and indeed all components, as low as possible. Because of the shorter length of the 2.0-litre unit, we had the opportunity to move the engine mass even closer to the centre of the car.

Have other chassis modifications been necessary to achieve the desired ride and handling?

Yes, of course we had to modify the chassis set-up for the four-cylinder engine. With less mass, you have to correct the spring rates and adjust the load heights to achieve the desired ride height and natural frequency – the eigen frequency. As a result, the dampers had to be re-tuned as well. The Adaptive Variable Suspension, the limited-slip differential and the electric power steering also required specific tuning of their operating parameters.

The architectural characteristics of the car gave us a decent base to work on, but nevertheless we spent a lot of time fine-tuning as we set ourselves high targets for the car.

How long was the testing process and where did it take place?

The total testing for GR Supra from early mechanical prototype to production version was spread over five years. During that time we took Supra all over Europe and made frequent visits to the USA and Japan as well. As it is sports car, we spent quite some time on tracks – including the Nordschleife at the Nürburgring – but we also tuned our set-up on public roads. Both versions were developed simultaneously from the second development stage. The earliest prototypes (for the first development stage) were all equipped with the 3.0-litre engine. The major learnings we gained from those were carried over to the 2.0-litre.

Were there any surprises during that process?

During the final sign-off drives of the pre-production models, we found that after extended circuit driving in dry conditions, the right-hand front wing and door were always dirty with sand and dust. After investigation, we traced this to a design issue with the filler cap on the washer fluid tank (common to both 3.0 and 2.0 models), which led to fluid being spilled under extreme lateral acceleration. This hadn’t been noticeable when using camouflaged cars. Even though the design had been fixed for a long time, a change was still made to address the issue.

What will be the key rewards in terms of driving experience for customers who chose the GR Supra 2.0?

I can assure them they will be pleasantly surprised by the performance of the “little brother” in all aspects – even if they choose not to add the Sport Pack.


EQUIPMENT GRADES
Entry-level Live specification includes 18-inch alloy wheels, 8.8-inch multimedia display and Alcantara seat upholstery

Connect, Premium and Sport packs to enhance equipment, styling, connectivity and handling

Special Fuji Speedway limited edition model available at launch – production for Europe limited to 200 examples

AT ENTRY LEVEL, the new 2.0-litre GR Supra is offered in Live specification,with standard features including 18-inch alloy wheels, a four-speaker 100 W audio system with 8.8-inch touchscreen display and sports seats upholstered in black Alcantara.

Toyota Supra Safety is also be provided, equipping the car with a Pre-Crash Safety system with Braking Function, Pedestrian and Cyclist detection with Braking Function, Lane Keep Assist (LKA) with Active Steering, Road Sign Assist and an Intelligent Speed Assist.

Customers can build on this specification to suit their preferences for style, performance and connectivity with a series of option packs.

The Connect pack adds a navigation system and connectivity for links to useful on-line services.

The Premium pack provides high-quality comfort and convenience features, including a 12-speaker 425W JBL premium sound system, head-up display, wireless smartphone charger, black leather upholstery and power seat adjustment with memory setting. It also takes in the elements of the Connect pack, plus additional storage and interior lighting features.

The Sport pack focuses on handling and performance, equipping the car with Adaptive Variable Suspension, an Active Differential and sport braking system. More detailed information on these features is given in the Performance and Chassis and Handling chapters above.



MULTIMEDIA SYSTEM

The standard multimedia system for the GR Supra 2.0 is controlled via a centrally mounted 8.8-inch high-resolution TFT touchscreen display. This can also be operated using a controller on the centre console which has an intuitive touchpad control on its upper surface. It is designed for fingertip control so the driver doesn’t have to change their position at the wheel to operate it.

The package includes a four-speaker audio system with DAB radio reception, Bluetooth, a USB port and wireless smartphone integration using Apple CarPlay. Customers opting for the Connect pack further benefit from navigation with 3D mapping, voice recognition and access to connected online services to help with journey information such as traffic and weather conditions, parking and fuel availability.

FUJI SPEEDWAY LIMITED EDITION

At launch the new 2.0-litre GR Supra will be offered in an exclusive, limited edition Fuji Speedway version. This stands out with a unique white metallic paint finish for the bodywork with contrasting 19-inch matt back alloy wheels and red door mirror housings. In the cabin there are carbon fibre dashboard trim inserts and striking red and black Alcantara upholstery. The colour choices evoke those of the official TOYOTA GAZOO Racing livery.

Where equipment specifications are concerned, the Fuji Speedway also comes with all the features of the Connect and Sport packs (detailed above).

This special edition model has been created specifically for the launch of the 2.0-litre model, with production limited to just 200 examples in Europe.


THE TOYOTA SUPRA GT4
Competition version of the GR Supra, developed to international GT4 specifications by Toyota Motorsport GmbH (TMG)
3.0-litre in-line six-cylinder turbocharged engine tuned to produce 430 DIN hp*
Development expresses TOYOTA GAZOO Racing’s commitment to helping people become actively involved in motorsport
Available to customer teams worldwide
GR SUPRA GT4 AVAILABLE TO CUSTOMER RACING TEAMS IN 2020

TOYOTA GAZOO Racing has launched sales of a GR Supra GT4 race car to customer teams. The new competition model is initially available in Europe and will be introduced in North America and Japan/Asia before the end of 2020.

The GR Supra GT4 is based on the road-going GR Supra 3.0 and has been developed and produced by Toyota Motorsport GmbH (TMG).

The 3.0-litre in-line six-cylinder turbo engine has been tuned to 430 DIN hp* and is matched to a seven-speed sports automatic transmission with paddle shifts. The car also uses a mechanical limited-slip differential. The performance elements include an Akrapovič exhaust system, and first-fill lubricants are supplied by Ravenol.

The car’s front splitter and rear wing are made of a natural fibre composite, contributing to an overall vehicle weight of 1,350 kg*. Following the specification of the GR Supra road car, the suspension system features front MacPherson struts and a multilink arrangement at the rear. Adjustable KW performance dampers are used both front and rear.

The braking system is uprated with dedicated Brembo racing callipers – six-pot at the front and four-pot at the rear – and the OZ five-hole 11×18-inch wheels are shod with 305/660 Pirelli tyres.

Safety provisions include a high-strength roll cage for the lightweight steel body and an FIA-standard racing seat with six-point harness. The interior is fitted with a carbon fibre instrument panel with a display and steering wheel designed specifically for GT4 competition.

The contact companies for regional sales and customer support, including spare parts and access to engineers, are: TMG for Europe; TRD USA for North America; and Toyota Customizing and Development for Japan/Asia. The price of the GR Supra GT4 is €175,000, excluding any taxes, customs fees and logistics and other costs.

*The figure can vary according to the Balance of Performance (BOP
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the 2.0 Supra, the mid-200-hp turbo 4 cylinder is also covered. I don't see how Subaru or Toyota would do either option on the next gen "twin"...if there even is one.
The 2.0 Supra is a serious disappointment though. Too heavy and too expensive for its mediocre official performance. It should be pushing out at least 300HP... Renaultsport get that from their 1.8 turbo in the Megane RS Trophy, and the B48 can easily handle it in other applications (e.g. newest Mini JCWs, BMW M135i Xdrive etc).

If there is no next gen 86, I don’t know what I’ll ‘upgrade’ to from my 2015 twin. I was planning on the next gen... and hoping the rumour of the 2.4 turbo was true. It would be the perfect power and torque for the 86, basically making it an FR Cayman for beer money. Another NA, asthmatic, torque-less engine isn’t going to cut it today... performance expectations have moved on significantly from 2012, when the twins first came out. Regular non-sport ‘economy’ family hatchbacks give you 200HP and torque for days from turbo engines now.

The 2.0 Supra is no real 86 replacement. Too fat, far too expensive. The twins fill a real niche in the lineup... I really hope they don’t get killed off.
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Do people think the 2.0 Supra will sell in places like the US? We can’t even get it here in Australia, no business case for it. I think they’ve missed a real opportunity with it. The B48 puts out 300HP in the JCWs and M135i Xdrive. Should be doing that in the Supra too. Or maybe that is saved for the 2022!
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The 2.0 Supra is a serious disappointment though. Too heavy and too expensive for its mediocre official performance. It should be pushing out at least 300HP... Renaultsport get that from their 1.8 turbo in the Megane RS Trophy, and the B48 can easily handle it in other applications (e.g. newest Mini JCWs, BMW M135i Xdrive etc).

If there is no next gen 86, I don’t know what I’ll ‘upgrade’ to from my 2015 twin. I was planning on the next gen... and hoping the rumour of the 2.4 turbo was true. It would be the perfect power and torque for the 86, basically making it an FR Cayman for beer money. Another NA, asthmatic, torque-less engine isn’t going to cut it today... performance expectations have moved on significantly from 2012, when the twins first came out. Regular non-sport ‘economy’ family hatchbacks give you 200HP and torque for days from turbo engines now.

The 2.0 Supra is no real 86 replacement. Too fat, far too expensive. The twins fill a real niche in the lineup... I really hope they don’t get killed off.

Have you driven one already or just looked at numbers? The few reviews I've seen so far disagree completely. The "255hp" is closer to 280-290hp and thats before a 30hp/60ft+ warranty retaining Dinatronics tune. BMW often underrates their engine outputs as you know anyway. The true 50/50 weight distribution seems to have done the chassis a world of good according to those who have driven at least.
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Do people think the 2.0 Supra will sell in places like the US?
I might buy one... I'm more interested in the 2.0 than the 3.0.
They will certainly be able to sell more Supras with the minimum entry price significantly lowered. And it can't be all *that* much trouble for them to offer it as the engine has already been developed for the convertible version of the car... Seems like a no-brainer to me, I'm pretty psyched that they're bringing it to the U.S. after all.
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There is no way it produces mid 200 hp, it does 0-60 in 4.9s
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