New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[weederr33]

I had a battery in a phone die once

[Lantanafrs2]

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/19/tesl...uis-study.html

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by weederr33

I had a battery in a phone die once

I upgraded my prior MacBook Pro (mid-2010 edition) with a Samsung SSD, and I upped the ram from 4g to 16g, which extended it's life for several more years before I passed it onto my wife when I bought a new model. Apparently that year had battery swelling issues, which began in 2019 unbeknownst to me, and it became obvious this year, when it couldn't charge and began lifting the trackpad. It made it thirteen years, as a high-use item--not bad.

Most of my iPhones have started throttling around two years, but never did they entirely bite the dust or refused to last a good chunk of the day, but these batteries see heavy use (several hours in the day) and fast charging at least once a day, plus night charging. This would be like driving a car more than just hours because car batteries are proportionally so big. This would be like driving 350 miles and fast charging all the time. Most people don't do that.

The average person will trickle charge the battery at home to top off the 35 miles they drove, or they will wait ten days between charges, and in that case they will charge 35 times in a year, which is much different than 365 phones charges. If a phone battery lasts over a thousand charge cycles in several years before its performance and "range" suffers then a car battery could last 28 years. Really rough math because it would depend on the battery chemistry, discharge and recharge rate, usage, weather, etc, but phones are a heavy use item, so their batteries see a lot of abuse.

For reference, lithium iron phosphate batteries have near zero fire risk, are cheap, are plentiful, are good for most driver's basic needs, are good at charging, not the best battery range, but will last 2000-3000 cycles, with the best case scenarios lasting 10,000 cycles. Those best case scenarios are grandma drivers who recharge at home using 120-220v low amp charge rates, who live in LA, California climates, who only charges from 20% to 80%. For that example, if 20%-80% represented 150 miles of range with 30 miles per day, that would be 5 days per cycle, so 73 cycles in a year, so that would be 136 years worth of cycles. It would be 27 years if the battery only lasted 2000 cycles.

[Spuds]

Not sure where to put this, so here it is lol. Just some thoughts...

So I actually visited a Lucid dealership today. First time sitting in the Air [midrange whatever it's called]. Super nice interior and looks great in the lighter colors, even white. Didn't have time to go for a drive but got to play around with the controls a bit. Not really a fan of things like lights and wipers being on a touchscreen, but otherwise everything was in just the right place to reach. Cabin is large with plenty of leg and headroom, but there isn't a ton of trunk/frunk space. Rear seats do fold flat for more cargo room though. I didn't like the glass roof thing on the Model X I checked out once, but it's implementation on the Air is pretty cool. Seats were excellent and had all the adjustability I could want, including extended thigh support which I've used before in another car and are nice to have on long drives.

Zero pressure salesman, though it might have helped that I was the only non-employee there. We just chatted about the car and such.

[Irace86.2.0]

So apparently Musk was right that the US has all the lithium we would ever need. Just one area of California to be exact.

The Salton Sea has even more lithium than previously thought, new report finds

https://www.latimes.com/environment/...-boiling-point

“It’s going to be roughly the equivalent of 382 million electric vehicle batteries,” Prisjatschew told me.

There are fewer than 300 million cars and trucks registered in the United States today. So yeah, that’s a big deal.

The Salton Sea could produce the world’s greenest lithium, if new extraction technologies work

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/04/the-...t-lithium.html

Also, Microsoft's AI analyzed 32 million materials in 80 hours to come up with a battery that would be ideal in price, availability and performance that is a sodium-lithium hybrid with other proprietary, undisclosed materials. Clearly AI has a large roll to play in accelerating science and technology in all types of fields.

https://www.theverge.com/24027031/mi...ry-material-ai

[Dadhawk]

Some more info on Hertz dumping their Teslas. It was the units they were using with Uber and other ride sharing companies that apparently were getting abused.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

So apparently Musk was right that the US has all the lithium we would ever need. Just one area of California to be exact.

The Salton Sea has even more lithium than previously thought, new report finds

https://www.latimes.com/environment/...-boiling-point



The Salton Sea could produce the world’s greenest lithium, if new extraction technologies work

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/04/the-...t-lithium.html

Also, Microsoft's AI analyzed 32 million materials in 80 hours to come up with a battery that would be ideal in price, availability and performance that is a sodium-lithium hybrid with other proprietary, undisclosed materials. Clearly AI has a large roll to play in accelerating science and technology in all types of fields.

https://www.theverge.com/24027031/mi...ry-material-ai

Good luck getting the green wackos to sign off on mining that.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Good luck getting the green wackos to sign off on mining that.

Well, the green wackos, as you call them, are also driving EV adoption so there may be some compromise there.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Well, the green wackos, as you call them, are also driving EV adoption so there may be some compromise there.

You don't compromise with the green whackos. They dont make compromises....they just expect you to.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Good luck getting the green wackos to sign off on mining that.

Unfortunately it could happen...depends on whos in charge.

Up here in Oilberta, we have companies wanting to mine some natural resources from the rocky mountains...and the government will let them because our provincial government is a bunch of mini-trump oil loving non-greenie morons.
The approval delays and start delays are due to a large majority of the population against it.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

You don't compromise with the green whackos. They dont make compromises....they just expect you to.

No I meant they would have to compromise with themselves.

Of course, given that I'm now an EV owner I may be classified as a green wacko, so there's that.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

No I meant they would have to compromise with themselves.

Of course, given that I'm now an EV owner I may be classified as a green wacko, so there's that.

you're not a green whacko unless you start doing green whacko things....
like put down ICE, EV can do no wrong, "just deal with it" is the the acceptable way to deal with EV shenanigans, FOR THE ENVIRONMENT!!!! even if you arent, CHEAP EV's EXIST! ITS CALED A CHEVY BOLT!!!"

[WolfpackS2k]

^this is why DadHawk is not. lol

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

^this is why DadHawk is not. lol

and we hope he doesnt become one lol