Next-Gen Toyota GT86 To Be Renamed Celica?

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Dake

I'll bet the Celica badge will be stuck on whatever the next-gen TC was going to be.

with Scion gone i could see them doing a reskin Corolla coupe.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by gymratter

with Scion gone i could see them doing a reskin Corolla coupe.

I don't understand why the tC didn't sell better.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

I don't understand why the tC didn't sell better.

i thought the 2nd gen was kinda fugly.

[Wise]

Originally Posted by alan.chalkley

Things went downhill when the last celica changed to fwd.
fwd is much more for eco boxes , like yaris.
How about a coupe yaris with a fat turbo for smoking front tyres and renaming it celica?

We wouldn't have gotten the GT-Four if they never went FWD though.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by alan.chalkley

fwd is much more for eco boxes , like yaris.

I'm not sure the people behind the Megane RS would agree with you.

[paulca]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

I'm not sure the people behind the Megane RS would agree with you.

The Megane is a hairdressers car. The Megane RS is for rich hairdressers who like to tout numbers and spec sheets while understeering round wet roundabouts.

[Overdrive]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

I don't understand why the tC didn't sell better.

It was the best selling car Scion ever had for the brand's entire lifespan, and it was the only Scion not rebadged from an already existing Toyota product. It shares the chassis with the Avensis, but it's not just a rebadged Vitz or bbX like the first Scions were, and it was supposed to be the Celica's spiritual successor, much like the 86 is the spiritual successor to the AE86 Corolla. It was never terrible, but it was never great, either. It was just the most normal car Scion offered.

It's still sold as a Toyota Zelas in a few other parts of the world, but if Toyota has plans to bring it back stateside as a Toyota, they haven't made it known like they did when they brought the Scion models into the lineup through the back door (which wasn't difficult since, again, they're all just rebadged already existing Toyotas with the exception of the Mazda2 masquerading as the iA, now Yaris iA but still very much a Mazda2 with the current ugly-cry Toyota face slapped on it).

I could see them bringing back the Celica name with the tC/Zelas making a return to the U.S., especially if they decide to take on the hot hatches and bring back the GT-Four/AllTrac flavor to take on WRXs and GTIs. But Toyota hasn't exactly made the best choices over the last....decade, so all we can really do is speculate until a decision-maker plays drunken darts on the idea board in their office.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Wise

We wouldn't have gotten the GT-Four if they never went FWD though.

I could be mistaken, but I feel like the USDM only got the AWD Celica for like 1-2 years. And the 2nd generation Celica All-Trac was never sold in the US.

[Zaku]

The whole Affordable FWD Coupe/Hatch Segment isn't selling at all these last couple of years, People are all clamoring about CUV. In fact most coupes have been killed off, with the only remaining one the Civic Coupe and those don't sell well, besides if you were given a choice between a FWD coupe or a RWD one and the RWD does things just as good (well I guess you can fit people in back of FWD ones)

There is however lots of talk and it's (talk) nothing more to say about it. About many of the old Coupe marques be turned into a CUV. For example the Eclipse CUV, the Next Z being a CUV, and many others. I can see that Toyota might not miss the opportunity to name a CUV Celica and then do a AWD one and try to Tie it to a GT4. there is I believe a niche market with the younger crowds that want performance CUV. Betting many of us would love something fun and practical as a daily if you're a two car family.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

The current 86 traces lineage back to the ae86..

No it doesn't.

Originally Posted by Overdrive

...much like the 86 is the spiritual successor to the AE86 Corolla.

Except that it isn't. The current 86 shares almost nothing in common with the AE86. These two cars share no styling cues. They share no distinctive engineering concepts. They don't even share the same type of motor.

If it's the spiritual successor of anything, it's the 2000GT. But since nobody remembered what that was, Toyota's brand managers used the artificial AE86 marketing nonsense to sucker in Initial D fanboys gullible enough to believe it.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

No it doesn't.



Except that it isn't. The current 86 shares almost nothing in common with the AE86. These two cars share no styling cues. They share no distinctive engineering concepts. They don't even share the same type of motor.

If it's the spiritual successor of anything, it's the 2000GT. But since nobody remembered what that was, Toyota's brand managers used the artificial AE86 marketing nonsense to sucker in Initial D fanboys gullible enough to believe it.

The GT86 is an affordable, 4 cylinder naturally aspirated, 4-seater, relatively lightweight, rwd car that focuses on driver involvement over raw power. Sure it doesn't look like a box, or have an inline 4-cylinder, but it's hard to deny the idealistic similarities between the 2 cars.


The 2000GT on the otherhand was an extremely limited production, expensive, 2-seater, 6 cylinder engine, and Toyota's 'Halo' car. Not really sure how that is a spiritual successor to the 86.

[8RZ]

The two cars are almost 30 years apart from one another, of course there won't be any styling cues or technological similarities between them but their ideology remains the same.

[Dake]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

I don't understand why the tC didn't sell better.

I can't speak for others, but I can tell you why I didn't buy one as a previous 4th gen Celica owner - it was heavy, under-powered and got lousy gas mileage. I might have put up with any two of the three, but not the whole set.

[chaoskaze]

nah , probably fake news. It's the trend for the last 10 years , just ppl finally started calling them for what it is now.