Full throttle Electric Supercharger Build Thread

[kritch]

And there are examples of early adoption with specific applications such as hybrid systems with small displacement for the IC aspects. They use the electric SC to fill in spots just like our engine uses it where it can. I fully believe that as long as development of IC continues there will be a spot for the electric SC.
I am curious what the inside story is with Rob though. Seems like progress has slowed to a crawl. Honestly I have given up hope I would ever get the phantom. I'm either going to never get fi or plunk down money get a Jackson or Kraftwerks.

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[stevo585]

Originally Posted by fenton

It's obviously not that easy, no one else has ever successfully mass produced an electric supercharger that works. This is not Black&Decker here. There is huge power being consumed and many things to go wrong at a moment's notice if something bad happens.

This is a neiche market, mass car companies do not want to deploy this system, they will pay to develop the already proven technology.

That's not to say that this isnt cool stuff we are working on. It's a perfect answer for some people, modest amount of power at a modest price.

As soon as you start adding more power or asking for crazy reliability the cost equation shifts. Once you start getting close to the price of full time FI the game is over.

A couple hundred kits is not "mass production" lmao. I'm a mechanical engineer by day and yes I see everyone's frustration. Rob truly does have a good amount people saying "take my money". He apparently doesn't need the money. I can't see this kit being all that difficult to make. Send me the drawings I'll get it made lol.

[Sojhinn]

To all who are waiting and are currently frustrated... Realize everytime we have had a slow down, new things have been added.

I'm sure something is being cooked up and I'm sure we will all benefit from it.


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[DAEMANO]

True, IMO manufacturing is likely not the reason for the slow product turn. In my opinion, the test cycle for new iterations of the Phantom kit is appropriately long for the importance of the device. From what I know, this longer test cycle creates a more reliable, better performing product that requires less user maintenance and customer support frustrations. Remember, this is a multi-thousand watt device that people strap to their $30k cars and use at high stress and speeds. This is a responsibility Rob doesn't seem to be willing to underestimate or cut corners on. I for one am thankful. The current Phantom ESC 2.0 kit is very good. The version that many people on the waiting list end up with may be even better due to this long test cycle and the patience of those who choose to wait it out. Hang in there people. There's a good reason no one else has ever been able to pull off ESC's in the aftermarket with a high degree of success. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Not at least until after you get your kits.

[kritch]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

True, IMO manufacturing is likely not the reason for the slow product turn. In my opinion, the test cycle for new iterations of the Phantom kit is appropriately long for the importance of the device. From what I know, this longer test cycle creates a more reliable, better performing product that requires less user maintenance and customer support frustrations. Remember, this is a multi-thousand volt device that people strap to their $30k cars and use at high stress and speeds. This is a responsibility Rob doesn't seem to be willing to underestimate or cut corners on. I for one am thankful. The current Phantom ESC 2.0 kit is very good. The version that many people on the waiting list end up with may be even better due to this long test cycle and the patience of those who choose to wait it out. Hang in there people. There's a good reason no one else has ever been able to pull off ESC's in the aftermarket with a high degree of success. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Not at least until after you get your kits.

I can see and agree with all these reasons.
However, please dont take this as a complaint, as more of a suggestion for improvement: A little communication would go a long way.
If Rob made a comment, not even an announcement, it would sooth a lot of savage souls here.
Maybe even a pm or an email saying "hey! thanks for believing in me and my product. Thanks for your patience but X is why its taking so long. It will be worth the wait"
In this day and age where "kickstarter" type efforts often fizzle, its easy to 'look away' when there is -0- comms.
All kinds of respect to the doer though!

[Target70]

I'm with you but, and maybe I'm being nit-picky here:

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

...this is a multi-thousand volt device...

that doesn't sound right to me.

[brilthor]

Originally Posted by Target70

I'm with you but, and maybe I'm being nit-picky here:


that doesn't sound right to me.

They are talking about the motor side of the controller

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[illmatic_frs]

Originally Posted by kritch

I can see and agree with all these reasons.
However, please dont take this as a complaint, as more of a suggestion for improvement: A little communication would go a long way.
If Rob made a comment, not even an announcement, it would sooth a lot of savage souls here.
Maybe even a pm or an email saying "hey! thanks for believing in me and my product. Thanks for your patience but X is why its taking so long. It will be worth the wait"
In this day and age where "kickstarter" type efforts often fizzle, its easy to 'look away' when there is -0- comms.
All kinds of respect to the doer though!

Rightly said. We are all supporters. We are those people waiting in line outside the Apple store. Except we are in our cars....
@fenton one clarification: was the list you posted in sequence from first to last, or last to first?

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[Target70]

Originally Posted by brilthor

They are talking about the motor side of the controller

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after thinking about it I realized I had no idea how a brushless motor works. After some youtube videos I get the basics, but without specific motor details I can't find what they typical drive voltage should be, I can figure out the current based on the power wire size, but again without specifics I can't figure out the motor impedance/reactance. So in the end, I really have no idea what kind of signal is coming out of the controller.

[KoolBRZ]

It's multi-thousand Watt, just 28 volts. (In three phase)

[Target70]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

It's multi-thousand Watt, just 28 volts. (In three phase)

wait, multi thousand watt? or multi thousand volt? I don't doubt at all multi thousand Watt, as a microwave is usually at least 1500 Watt. I don't know anything about the controller and for all I know it could have some step-up transformers in it and be out putting thousands of volts like DAEMANO said, I just didn't think it did which is why I even commented. But if it was misspoke and was supposed to be Watt then yeah, completely understandable.

E=I.R (voltage = current times resistance) and P=I.E (power = current times voltage) max current can't be above 80A due to 8awg wire according to random google charts. P=I.E converts to E=P/I so random estimate of 2,500W for power over 80A = 31.25V ~ 28V shown on the volt meter.. This is just a WAG, you wouldn't want to max out your cable capacity so you will run less than 80A and if it is 28V and only 70A you end up with just under 2,000W
I'm just talking out loud here because It has been so many years since school and theory. I just think it is interesting getting into how this actually works. This is the video I watched on the motors:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAY5JInyHXY"]Brushless DC Motors & Control - How it Works (Part 1 of 2) - YouTube[/ame]

[Fab Racing]

Adjusting my Phantom electric supercharger throttle activation switch to make the system safer.
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBq1uyrD6GA"]The Phantom supercharger throttle activation - YouTube[/ame]

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Target70

wait, multi thousand watt? or multi thousand volt? I don't doubt at all multi thousand Watt, as a microwave is usually at least 1500 Watt. I don't know anything about the controller and for all I know it could have some step-up transformers in it and be out putting thousands of volts like DAEMANO said, I just didn't think it did which is why I even commented. But if it was misspoke and was supposed to be Watt then yeah, completely understandable.

E=I.R (voltage = current times resistance) and P=I.E (power = current times voltage) max current can't be above 80A due to 8awg wire according to random google charts. P=I.E converts to E=P/I so random estimate of 2,500W for power over 80A = 31.25V ~ 28V shown on the volt meter.. This is just a WAG, you wouldn't want to max out your cable capacity so you will run less than 80A and if it is 28V and only 70A you end up with just under 2,000W
I'm just talking out loud here because It has been so many years since school and theory. I just think it is interesting getting into how this actually works. This is the video I watched on the motors:

Thanks @Target70 and everyone who participates in the conversations here. The openness and curiosity of those that choose to F.I. this wa only makes being a part of this group so much better.

[silent runner]

Just a quick note from one of the first "developement" testers:

Hey my ancient 1993 V-6 Camry is still running strong with the first Version 1.0 Phantom Supercharger, after 2.5 years, and currently at 374K Km.