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Sasquachulator · 12-22-2011, 04:08 PM

beh just compare it with cars with similar power/weight.

Previous gen Celica GTS was low 7's can break into the 6's. (180hp/2500lbs)
Civic SI i think i around 6.5 seconds (200hp/close to 3000lbs?)
Volkswagen GTI is i think around 6.5 or low 6's (200hp/3000lbs?)
My Corolla XRS is supposedly around mid/low 7's, can break into the 6's with bolt ons (170hp/2700lbs)

I expect the car to be around 6.5

Itgb · 12-22-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

beh just compare it with cars with similar power/weight.

Previous gen Celica GTS was low 7's can break into the 6's. (180hp/2500lbs)
Civic SI i think i around 6.5 seconds (200hp/close to 3000lbs?)
Volkswagen GTI is i think around 6.5 or low 6's (200hp/3000lbs?)
My Corolla XRS is supposedly around mid/low 7's, can break into the 6's with bolt ons (170hp/2700lbs)

I expect the car to be around 6.5

Don't forget in addition to power/weight ratios, gearing has a substantial effect on acceleration times too.

fitftw · 12-22-2011, 11:21 PM

I'd say 5.8-6.7 seconds. I used this http://www.060calculator.com/

167hp at the flywheel (15% of 197hp) 2,600lbs = 6.5 if I did that wrong and it really is 197 at the flywheel, then it's 5.8 seconds.

It has similar numbers to a 2.0L Civic Si and that car hits 60 around 7 seconds...

0-60 times are hard to pin down anyway. Google any car 0-60 and you'll find a good 5 or 10 wildly different numbers...depends where you are in relation to sea level, temperature etc.

WingsofWar · 12-22-2011, 11:41 PM

hp rated at the crank is same as flywheel..then subtract around 15% from that from drivetrain loss to the drive wheels..

Flywheel HP = 197
Wheel HP = 167

tranzformer · 12-23-2011, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsofWar

hp rated at the crank is same as flywheel..then subtract around 15% from that from drivetrain loss to the drive wheels..

Flywheel HP = 197
Wheel HP = 167

We get an extra 3hp no?

old greg · 12-23-2011, 01:08 AM

I think that's just journalists not realizing that there's a difference between PS and hp. And that's not even accounting for the differences between SAE J2723 and JIS D 1001 testing standards

gamma6 · 12-23-2011, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 86'd

It's really easy to get caught up in 0-60 times, and while I find this a cool exercise in trying to find out what the actual time is, all I know for certain is that it will be more than enough power for me on a daily basis.

It's significantly faster than my daily driven Civic SI and I still have fun in that.

In any case, I'm sure the car will hit mid to low 6's...

I hear you on that... my sc-ed si is so much fun and i should be pushing around 230 so i hope this would be just as fast stock!

tranzformer · 12-23-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by old greg

I think that's just journalists not realizing that there's a difference between PS and hp. And that's not even accounting for the differences between SAE J2723 and JIS D 1001 testing standards

USDM gets a less restrictive exhaust that supposedly sounds better and bumps power to 200hp.

old greg · 12-23-2011, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tranzformer

USDM gets a less restrictive exhaust that supposedly sounds better and bumps power to 200hp.

Source?

Homemade WRX · 12-23-2011, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tranzformer

USDM gets a less restrictive exhaust that supposedly sounds better and bumps power to 200hp.

Where did you find that 'fact'?

It wouldn't make much sense for them to do this here and not in the other markets.

tranzformer · 12-23-2011, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by old greg

Source?

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Originally Posted by Homemade WRX

Where did you find that 'fact'?

It wouldn't make much sense for them to do this here and not in the other markets.

Geesh you guys need to read more about the car and spend more time on here

Tada said it. I will get you your source. Better flowing (3hp) and better sounding. We talked about this on here extensively a few weeks back.

tranzformer · 12-23-2011, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by old greg

Source?

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Originally Posted by Homemade WRX

Where did you find that 'fact'?

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Also, that engine will be rated at 200 hp in the U.S., Tada says. U.S. models will get a unique, less restrictive exhaust to bump them from 200 PS (197 SAE hp) to a full 200 SAE hp. It also adds a better exhaust note, says Tada.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2856

Boom, steak, dinner.

Sport-Tech · 12-23-2011, 04:04 PM

^^ win.

fitftw · 12-23-2011, 04:46 PM

GT5 would be exactly correct.

200hp
2,800lbs
0-60 in 6.05 seconds
http://www.060calculator.com/

12-22-2011, 11:21 PM	#31
fitftw Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 1996 Mazda Miata 2,000lbs Location: NJ Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'd say 5.8-6.7 seconds. I used this http://www.060calculator.com/ 167hp at the flywheel (15% of 197hp) 2,600lbs = 6.5 if I did that wrong and it really is 197 at the flywheel, then it's 5.8 seconds. It has similar numbers to a 2.0L Civic Si and that car hits 60 around 7 seconds... 0-60 times are hard to pin down anyway. Google any car 0-60 and you'll find a good 5 or 10 wildly different numbers...depends where you are in relation to sea level, temperature etc. Last edited by fitftw; 12-22-2011 at 11:33 PM.

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