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Old 07-01-2019, 02:10 PM   #29
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I dont.... *sigh*

I dont think the brake booster delete is a "bad" mod. typically its done on one of two mindsets

Shaven Engine bay ( bad mod)
Better Braking feel

The dirt fish guys all have brake booster deletes and are running slightly better masters ( think ) for better feel under braking. and while yes you have to really push the brake pedal to make the car stop your control is almost unlimited. and when you get used to it, it doesnt matter
the whole boosted portion is for comfort on daily driving.
I totally get that it has a purpose. I just think compared to just about any other mod a normal person would do to their car, it's one of the worst. People would argue that adding a turbo, or going hellaflush, or adding a roll cage are bad. They all have a purpose, it's just that the niche for brake booster delete is certainly the smallest on my opinion
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I totally get that it has a purpose. I just think compared to just about any other mod a normal person would do to their car, it's one of the worst. People would argue that adding a turbo, or going hellaflush, or adding a roll cage are bad. They all have a purpose, it's just that the niche for brake booster delete is certainly the smallest on my opinion
I agree the brake booster delete is definitely a small niche.
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Old 07-01-2019, 06:42 PM   #32
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I mounted Indy 500s after my MPSSs went. I'm very happy with them overall. Good in the often-heavy Florida rain.
are those much louder than the mpss over choppy or rough pavement? or about the same. considering those for my next set though i've always have either michelins or bridgestones.

to answer OP, i would go with exhaust as first mod. sounds too much like a tractor stock.
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are those much louder than the mpss over choppy or rough pavement? or about the same. considering those for my next set though i've always have either michelins or bridgestones.

to answer OP, i would go with exhaust as first mod. sounds too much like a tractor stock.
Not louder at all. Went from MPSS to them and the only thing happened was I have more grip now. I might have had a bad set of MPSS but I would slide all over in them.
In wet it was really bad. Two or three times I did a 360 making a u-turn in the rain....not fun. Also if I remember correctly, it was just under 10k miles they lasted. The current
set of Indy 500s are almost at the same 10k and they easily have another 15-20k miles in them still even with my aggressive driving.
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Why do manufacturers still sell the UEL header? the sound....and the fact that with enough good marketing, some companies sell a exposed pod filter and call it a performance upgrade.

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I've always been boggled by this when reading about our cars and UEL's, so when people say the UEL is better for torque and the EL better for top end, is there any truth to that?
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Old 07-01-2019, 08:34 PM   #35
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I've always been boggled by this when reading about our cars and UEL's, so when people say the UEL is better for torque and the EL better for top end, is there any truth to that?
In the early life cycle of this platform that was the case. Once manufacturers like ACE and JDL started developing 4-2-1 EL headers they have proven to be a straight upgrade in every way over UEL in terms of performance.
Edit I forgot about PTuning.

A custom tune is required to get the best out of them.

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Oh Gawd....lmao no worries here, I'd rather not have one at all honestly.
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A custom tune is required to get the best out of them.

Do you know if OFT makes tunes for such headers?
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Do you know if OFT makes tunes for such headers?
Not that I'm aware of. The generic OFT tunes aren't optimized properly.
My understanding is that the cam tables are entirely different.

You could use ECUTEK and custom tune that way. Delicious has a ace header specific tune you can run. I believe counter space garage has a package available with header+tune.
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I've always been boggled by this when reading about our cars and UEL's, so when people say the UEL is better for torque and the EL better for top end, is there any truth to that?
You could just design the EL header for where you want the power.

For a UEL header, I found no advantage, science says it's bad, race engine/exhaust builders say it's bad, internet on the other hand is of two minds.

I have found that the internet is generally waffle.

IMO the best looking pre-fabed headers on the market look like ACE.

ACE have different headers for different HP levels, rim sizes and final drives, both 4:1 and 4:2:1

Plus a tuned header keeps the fluid and thermal dynamic gods happy.

But not my wallet.

Me, If I could justify spending the coin (most likely $2.5-3k) to try another header, a ACE 350 looks like a good bit of kit with alot of though gone into the design.

Pity about the cost to get one to my door.

But as I don't race for sheep stations I'll just deal with my comprised catless OEM 4:2:1 ELish header.

TL;DR this linky explains the basics much better than I ever could > https://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/...header-tuning/
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I don't know.....for 1/3 of the price I would just save the extra $1k paid for the Ace and get the Gruppe-S UEL.
Not worth the extra $1k for what would only show on a dyno graph. Bang for buck for paying that extra $1k is not that great:
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggQspB1P7a4[/ame]

Halfway to the price for a FI setup just for a header and a few extra HP doesn't seem to make much financial sense.
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FYI: Illegal in many jurisdictions and just gives the local constabulary an easy reason to pull you over and look for other offenses.
Don't ask me how I know . . .
You're right. I was thinking in regards to California. I don't know about any other states.

I was / still am taking the perspective of "less is more" , in other words keep things simple. That's what makes our cars great, they are fairly simple in our modern age. You can modify add / delete certain things, try to make things better, but often times it takes a good chunk of money $2k+ and/or a good amount of time to do so. I'm all for protective mods , and keeping much of it all OE , which does add value.
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