Are these cars worth the money?

[ovm_catalyst]

Originally Posted by gt8613

I am thinking serieblue because there is not too big a difference in price if u can find a good deal and u get leather seats and aero kit. Also keyless entry is cool lol and heated mirrors help during the rain. I don't plan on modifying this car aesthetically much. Somewhere down the road... I might want to give it a light driveshaft pulley etc



My first ever mod might just be grippy summer tires....

I was lucky to have an old high school friend that worked at a Subaru dealership, so she let me open it up on the highway with a 2014 limited.

For me it all came down to the Out The Door price and what I felt comfortable paying monthly (again, no salesman trickery because I already had my financing handled), and i couldn't justify springing for either the limited or series.blue.

My only steadfast NEED for the car was that it had to be MT and World Rally Blue.

[Ryuu0u]

#financialmistake Pretty much sums it up.

I sure as hell love my car though. No one can tell you if something is worth it when it comes to things like this. It's either you feel it or not.

[Mr. Banana]

Originally Posted by Ryuu0u

#financialmistake Pretty much sums it up.

I sure as hell love my car though. No one can tell you if something is worth it when it comes to things like this. It's either you feel it or not.

Yup, agreed... More of an emotional decision.

[kberkel]

I think definitely worth it.. but not for 30k.

25k for a BRZ Limited with <10k miles is good.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by gt8613

Lol really? "dumbest research ever"?



There is only so much a test drive reveals and the last thing you want to go by is what the sales guy say.



RESEARCH comes from pushing the car and talking to people have owned/used the cars. It's when the cars gets put to an actual test... not all of which can be done on a test drive. For example... is there really a gain in performance with grippy tires? Can the engine actually be boosted? Is the build quality of the car actually good? The kind of analysis Savage Geese did in his films.



I have driven an frs before... It's nice at w.e I could do with the sales guy in the car with me....

Buy a few cars, you'll know what I mean then.
Ignore the sales pitch and the fanboys.

[stonenewt]

Originally Posted by gt8613

Lol really? "dumbest research ever"?



There is only so much a test drive reveals and the last thing you want to go by is what the sales guy say.



RESEARCH comes from pushing the car and talking to people have owned/used the cars. It's when the cars gets put to an actual test... not all of which can be done on a test drive. For example... is there really a gain in performance with grippy tires? Can the engine actually be boosted? Is the build quality of the car actually good? The kind of analysis Savage Geese did in his films.



I have driven an frs before... It's nice at w.e I could do with the sales guy in the car with me....

Find a dealer that'll throw the keys at you & say "see you in a few hours" after signing a you crash it you buy it form. That gives you enough time in the car to work out exactly what it's strengths and weaknesses are, how well the car is built & you should also get a feel for where the chassis limitations are coming from.

The only question is engine strength & the reality is look for the number of aftermarket turbo kits.

[akahenry]

I get like around 30 miles per gallon on 91 Octane in California- 70% highway 20% city 10% spirited driving. What other car, in this cheap sports car segment, on the market yield these gains?! None, if you're talking brand new. The only car in my head that competes with the twins is the S2K. Miata, sure, but it looks like crap... unless you're talking about the NA Chassis, which itself is old and the motors inside of 'em are pretty powerless. (I'm not trashing the Miata; I actually drove a '93 Miata for 3 months straight last summer) Why S2K? It performs better, handles like a bossss, and vtec- srs. This is coming from a guy who don't really like Hondas. With this said, most S2ks' now are either pretty beat up, have pretty high milage, or are extremely expensive in respect to their condition to value ratio. The S2K is a GREAT cheap track and fun car to drive. The twins on the other hand are just as good, but slightly more on the practical and economical side. For a daily driver, Twins > S2k. For a young guy like me, if I had the choice of going with either a S2K or a Twin, I'd go with the S2K (wow shocker!) because I can careless about practicality and etc, since I don't really carry much in my car. With that said, I think the best fun to dollar ratio car at the moment, is the 2015 WRX. Why? Cheaper price than the BRZ, not to mention faster. Con is that the insurance will be more expensive, oh and two extra doors.

[b1gb2olo]

IMO not if u have to deal with snow,, and if u expect it to go fast your looking at the wrong car

[s0sl0w]

The easiest way to define whether or not a car is "worth it" is look at how they hold their value on the used market. Any car that has strong value retention is being considered by the general public to be "worth it."

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Buy a v6 Mustang.

He said "not pure hp numbers... but overall performance".

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by gt8613

I mean at this price range the only other cars to consider would be 370z, genesis, mustang. I have done the next bed thing to driving them and that is I have watched/read several reviews. Neither of those look as great. Not all of them supposed handle 10/10ths of the way.

If you think you'll need the power of one of the above cars, then buy one of them. Otherwise, buy a FRS/GT86/BRZ and be happy with it. You can imagine it as a Porsche Cayman with a small engine.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by akahenry

I get like around 30 miles per gallon on 91 Octane in California- 70% highway 20% city 10% spirited driving. What other car, in this cheap sports car segment, on the market yield these gains?! None, if you're talking brand new. The only car in my head that competes with the twins is the S2K. Miata, sure, but it looks like crap... unless you're talking about the NA Chassis, which itself is old and the motors inside of 'em are pretty powerless. (I'm not trashing the Miata; I actually drove a '93 Miata for 3 months straight last summer) Why S2K? It performs better, handles like a bossss, and vtec- srs. This is coming from a guy who don't really like Hondas. With this said, most S2ks' now are either pretty beat up, have pretty high milage, or are extremely expensive in respect to their condition to value ratio. The S2K is a GREAT cheap track and fun car to drive. The twins on the other hand are just as good, but slightly more on the practical and economical side. For a daily driver, Twins > S2k. For a young guy like me, if I had the choice of going with either a S2K or a Twin, I'd go with the S2K (wow shocker!) because I can careless about practicality and etc, since I don't really carry much in my car. With that said, I think the best fun to dollar ratio car at the moment, is the 2015 WRX. Why? Cheaper price than the BRZ, not to mention faster. Con is that the insurance will be more expensive, oh and two extra doors.

Sorry. It doesn't make sense to compare a used car (S2K) with a new one (Twin). Who ever buys a used car, he doesn't know how the previous owner behaved to his car. He doesn't have a waranty. He doesn't have the same safety standards in a car accident. He doesn't know what to pay in a few years from now on taxes because of the high emissions. And so on ..

[BRZPDX]

Cars are an emotional purchase. don't over think it or else you won't be ble to make a decision. humans justify their decisions no matter what so you'll make a reason to love it. something new and cool always comes out.

[calidus]

The BRZ is a blast to drive around town. That said I don't think the car is worth $30k. I went with a 2013 Premium and got it for $25k. When you start getting over 30k your options for fun cars greatly expands. My issue was once I was looking at the 30k cars, it became really easy to look at $35k cars like an sti, Evo, or 370z. Then it goes well if I spending 35k on a 370z I might well go up to 40k and get the nismo package.

tldr: the fun to cost ratio of a BRZ at 25k blows everything out of the water. It become a much tighter race at 30k.