2013 Subaru BRZ and 2013 Scion FR-S: A Study in Comparison and Contrast

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

I doubt you tried deflating his tires anyway, since you're so convinced inflating them is the answer.

Explain the mechanics of how a tire that's rolling on its shoulder during cornering will provide more grip if you make it roll on the shoulder more. Thanks.

[frusciantrix]

You can find out correct tire pressure by looking at the tire temperature (outer, middle, inner sector). There is no other way doing it right.

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by Enemies

That was actually my least favourite comment. I don't want to have to wear ear plugs to drive it. :P

I expect the noise was at WOT and even the MT with a 4.1DR has a reasonably tall 6th gear (for a small displacement sports car):

70 MPH ~ 3000 RPM

It ought to be plenty livable, though if your priority is quiet high speed cruising, a lightweight car like the FT86 isn't the best choice anyway.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

This car will get over 30 mpg people so calm down. My RSX gets 33 hwy without direct injection and it doesn't have a better CoD than the FR-S.

It's best not to expect FWD MPG out of this but the MPG est(which is ) is roughly the same as the Miata. Those get good real world MPG from what I hear. Expect if the EPA MPG that (hopefully) it gets good real world MPG instead.

Originally Posted by mike2100

How about $22,250 + delivery so $23,125

$22,205 for a Civic Si Coupe
$23,450 for a base Miata

If the FR-S base price, before delivery, is above 24k I will eat my hair.

The 6spd is only available on the Touring, which is $25k. There isn't a base model for the twins so it's better to compare midrange.

$25k just means I need to wait longer before I buy one. As much as I don't like waiting, I'm still young enough to afford to wait.

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Autox-ing buddy's Prius when his regular car won't start, lol.

Look, there is a point when pumping further reduces tire grip, but it's not anywhere near stock psi levels.



Lol, do your research dude. They might not be as crappy as regular Prius, but they are nowhere near what people run on most Evos.

Heh. Autocrossing Prius.

Thanking for reminding them that the tires are not stock prius tires.

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by nrclptcnsmniak

Ummm am I misreading something. Space for a turbo and intercooler in the next few years? Do they mean aftermarket support or factory?

Both. Its no coincidence that this exact same motor will have a turbo added and used for the wrx. This has been discussed in numerous other threads. I believe that there is no way that turbo won't make it into a brz since it will be emission approved for the US. Adding that engine means this car can compete both with a miata and a 370z at similar price points to each.

Others on here believe that it won't be possible to fit the turbo or that it would compete with the wrx sti for sales so subaru won't make it. A few others believe that the car will somehow be ruined with the addition of more power because it will somehow make the car less fun or make it impure. I don't believe any of those statements.

[FRSpdDmn]

Originally Posted by frusciantrix

You can find out correct tire pressure by looking at the tire temperature (outer, middle, inner sector). There is no other way doing it right.

+1

[Enemies]

Originally Posted by Deslock

I expect the noise was at WOT and even the MT with a 4.1DR has a reasonably tall 6th gear (for a small displacement sports car):

70 MPH ~ 3000 RPM

It ought to be plenty livable, though if your priority is quiet high speed cruising, a lightweight car like the FT86 isn't the best choice anyway.

Just didn't want to be driving down the highway to an appointment talking on the phone and it sounds like I'm in a Verizon commercial for the hard of hearing.

[Homemade WRX]

Originally Posted by delongedoug

Yep. Evos generally run a few psi higher in the rear to help rotate.

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Nope.

Funny thing...I've done this on my own auto-x cars, Formula SAE, Legends car, and on RPM's Grand Am Porsches. On the Hooters cup Car and for Craftsman Trucks we could simply pre-load the springs (handy)....guess all of us motorsports engineers have been doing it wrong.

It should be used as a fine adjustment, though you'll see some desperate measurements at your local parking lot race.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Homemade WRX

Funny thing...I've done this on my own auto-x cars, Formula SAE, Legends car, and on RPM's Grand Am Porsches. On the Hooters cup Car and for Craftsman Trucks we could simply pre-load the springs (handy)....guess all of us motorsports engineers have been doing it wrong.

It should be used as a fine adjustment, though you'll see some desperate measurements at your local parking lot race.

I ran higher in the rear of my S2000, the infamous "wahhhhh it oversteers too much" car to get more rotation out of it. I determined that you had to be a tard to get an S2000 to oversteer uncontrollable..

So yeah, I agree with the higher tire pressures in the rear, all of my cars are setup like that.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by Homemade WRX

Funny thing...I've done this on my own auto-x cars, Formula SAE, Legends car, and on RPM's Grand Am Porsches. On the Hooters cup Car and for Craftsman Trucks we could simply pre-load the springs (handy)....guess all of us motorsports engineers have been doing it wrong.

It should be used as a fine adjustment, though you'll see some desperate measurements at your local parking lot race.

Lol, pulling rank?

Didn't know there are people who do those on whimpy street tires with weak sidewalls...otherwise you should be smart enough to know when your knowledge is applicable.

Like I said - on decent tires it won't be true, since they have stiff sidewalls/wide profile etc.

Also, rear tires won't roll as much, so it's less relevant. Pumping front ones from stock psi will give you more corner grip. And again - does not apply to race/semi-race tires.

[iff2mastamatt]

*wakes up from forum slumber*

Did you guys even look at the 0-60? 6.0-6.2? That's freakin awesome for 26k! It's tiresome watching all these whiners wishing for 22-23k, this isn't a mustang; wake up people!

*returns on hiatus*

[BattleArmor]

Originally Posted by AVOturboworld

Toyota's a little braver, or has better lawyers, or just hasn't had to deal with the last 10 years of kids buying turbo WRX's and crashing them into houses "when the turbo spooled at 12mph".


Regards,

Paul Hansen
www.avoturboworld.com
www.facebook.com/BRZSportsCarClub

Amazing NASIOC thread lol!

[Soravia]

Is it me or the Subaru sits lower?

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

*wakes up from forum slumber*

Did you guys even look at the 0-60? 6.0-6.2? That's freakin awesome for 26k! It's tiresome watching all these whiners wishing for 22-23k, this isn't a mustang; wake up people!

*returns on hiatus*

First off the 0-60 is a estimate and secondly I don't understand how these guys are "whiners" for hoping for a 22k-23k car(I could understand under 22k now). This car isn't a 26k car unless it's coming with a good amount of amenities standard. The 26k is what I expect a BRZ Premium 6spd Automatic to cost.