Um guys? Scion's Own FT86 Coming to New York Show Next month?

[Archer256]

Same, they always rip on Japanese cars. Look at their shows on the IS-F and even more so the LFA. True the original IS-F was not as good, but the 2011 model easily matches up to an M3 despite people's complaints.

As for the LFA...all they did was complain about it's cost and other crap. You would think "experts" would know the LFA is meant to be an exclusive, elite flagship model for the company and brand along with the rediculous amount of R&D that went into it so that the research would provide huge returns and benefits for the rest of the lexus line and possibly even toyota.s COUGH CARBON FIBER CHASSIS COUGH

[Mr.Jay]

Yea the whole "The LFA is not 6x the GTR even tho its 6X the price" shit was stupid considering there is no car thats 6x the GTR and they fact that they nut hugged the fuck out of the Veyron and don't use the same arguments

[blur]

Top Gear isn't a documentary, its a comedy. None of the challenges they do relate to the performance of the cars they test. Its just for entertainment purposes.

[xantonin]

And the British Top Gear >>>> the American one.

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by blur

Top Gear isn't a documentary, its a comedy. None of the challenges they do relate to the performance of the cars they test. Its just for entertainment purposes.

I know it didn't use to be

[matadormi5]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

I know it didn't use to be

I remember when they would take 3 cars and actually determine which was the best.

Recently, it's just a few things blowing up and declaring that either all the cars were the best or that none of them were any good.

The road-trip episodes are still very good. "Best driving road" "Southern USA roadtrip" etc etc.

[zigzagz94]

Originally Posted by Zorro

ROFL

of COURSE you are Mr. zigzagz

your gonna pass that right?

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Whatever dude. Scion is to blame for it all, there...does that make you happy? They started the whole phenomenon of paying drivers...what was I thinking.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Siriusly.Andrew

Sort of. But if driver was not part of the equation and that was the formula you could see where each car was at an advantage over the other.

All the cars are built the same these days and theres no flavour and its bland. You drive one and you've driven them all kind of thing. Its boring.

I honestly don't like how cars are being built "equal". At least in the sports car and performance aspects. Grocery getters can have that same feel to em, but for the more exciting cars and performance cars it shouldn't be "what one do I like the looks of most".

I'm just displeased with the similarities of all the performance / sports cars these days. Watching Top Gear is only entertaining because of Jeremy, Richard and James. Take them away and Top Gear would be boring as shit because they'd always say "This car is fabulous. So is this car. This one is faster on the track but it feels IDENTICAL to the other car, so what ever floats your boat."

On a Track, driver matters more than the car. On the street the car matters more than the driver.

Originally Posted by xantonin

And the British Top Gear >>>> the American one.

After watching the whole season of the USTG....sorry, have to say that it is equal, except the USTG I relate to more being that its in the US.

The BTG seems to always down on America and American cars in nearly every episode. I am for the most part "all imports" as I don't find to many American cars that appeal to me. However, it's still annoying to listen to them cut down American concepts every episode. Kinda like "I can call my brother a douche but if you call him a douche, we are going to have issues" type of thing.

Hence why I'm loving the USTG and can't wait till the second season.

[blur]

Watching the US top gear, I cringed at the sight of a blind dude beating them in a challenge.

[matadormi5]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

The BTG seems to always down on America and American cars in nearly every episode. I am for the most part "all imports" as I don't find to many American cars that appeal to me. However, it's still annoying to listen to them cut down American concepts every episode. Kinda like "I can call my brother a douche but if you call him a douche, we are going to have issues" type of thing.

Hence why I'm loving the USTG and can't wait till the second season.

I agree. With the exception of Richard Hammond who loves muscle cars. Also, the reviews and stuff they have are great, but nearly 75% of them are of cars that I (living in America) will never see.

I'm liking Top Gear USA because it's less gimmicky and more like the old Top Gear UK.

[Siriusly.Andrew]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

I just came back from Vegas where I drove a Gallardo LP560 then a 430 Scuderia and both cars felt veryyyy different. Each had their own character and feel to them.

The Lambo was quick and grippy but man the Scuderia felt like a race car it was ridiculous

I'm not talking about >$200,000 cars. I'd fucking hope they felt different or it'd be a huge waste of money.

What I'm referring to is the average enthusiast ideal sports car, something in the $25,000 to $35,000 range. And for comparisons sake we need to keep them from the same manufacturer because a Toyota will feel way different from a Nissan just because its a Toyota, and its a Nissan.

But look at Toyota's sports car line up... Oh wait. Never mind.
Lets look at Toyota's line up. Corolla, Matrix, Yaris, Camry, Venza, Prius and Avalon. Camry, Matrix and Corolla are basically the same cars with different dresses on and a little different feel due to different weights. Not a huge difference though, you'd swear you were in the same car. I think any of these cars "at the limit" will have the exact same feel as one another based on how they build them to all be similar to control.

Same thing applies to Fords, Chevs, Dodge/Chrysler, Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Suzuki, Subaru -- They build their calls to all handle and drive the same predictable way, because its "safer".

[matadormi5]

Originally Posted by ThisGUY

no toyota no buy, scion is a piece of crap brand.. same range as hyundai

....oh my god, I won't even begin to explain how senseless this is.

[C-Bone]

Originally Posted by ThisGUY

no toyota no buy, scion is a piece of crap brand.. same range as hyundai

Lol

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by ThisGUY

no toyota no buy, scion is a piece of crap brand.. same range as hyundai

Give him a break maybe he's from the early 90's era of Hyundai. And hasn't seen that in this Era they not as bad as before.... but still...err maybe they're still some truth to it.