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Old 09-05-2019, 01:32 PM   #29
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Great review, I really enjoyed it, well written. I have Michelin Pilot Super Sports on mine (225/40/R18). Don’t worry you can still get the tail out if you want. The limits are higher and it is more predictable, it just doesn’t surprise you or catch you out like the stock tyres do. Unless you enjoy that.
MPSS are very, very low on the spectrum of grip, if comparing to performance/summer type tires.
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Are they overkill for the BRZ/86 though? I've often wondered about them, but I've also heard tread wear is pretty bad. I'm guessing good for the track and not so much the street?
MPSS are pretty low grip, and last long enough that Michelin offers a mileage guarantee.
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Are they overkill for the BRZ/86 though? I've often wondered about them, but I've also heard tread wear is pretty bad. I'm guessing good for the track and not so much the street?
I get over 20,000 miles on the PSS on my Cayman, including track time (though the last event with 100°F ambient weather really f*cked them up lol). Rears get around 20k, fronts almost 30k.

FWIW, the PSS's replacement, the S4 Sport (or whatever) is a better wet traction tire but not dry. It's also not as durable on track (this is what I've read from multiple sources, not personal experience). The PSS's were pretty damn good on track IMO, for a 300 TW tire, but their ultimate grip levels aren't super impressive and after 1+ year of heat cycling I'd get really frustrated with my cornering speeds.
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Drive the car hard/fast enough, and "real tires" will step out the same as "shit tires".
All tires have some limit. But it's not the very casual throttle application as on stock tires. At least not without a major power bump or while carrying a lot more speed. Most people on public roads aren't going to feel comfortable pushing hard enough to break away on good tires. One thing is for sure, this car is a lot more fun to drive on shit tires than for example a FWD open diff car.
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What's the stickiest DOT approved tire I can get for short distances, like no more than 5 miles?
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MPSS are pretty low grip, and last long enough that Michelin offers a mileage guarantee.
I think he was referring to the Cup2's.
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What's the stickiest DOT approved tire I can get for short distances, like no more than 5 miles?
I don't get the question.
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What's the stickiest DOT approved tire I can get for short distances, like no more than 5 miles?
Maybe Hoosier A7.
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I don't get the question.
As in a tire that heats up quick and sticks super well, like an autocross or time attack DOT tire, for a quick canyon run from home, but not a tire that needs the heat handling of an HPDE tire. It doesn't need to run hard for 30 minutes or even 15 minutes. It needs to run hard for 5-8 minutes. Say 6 miles of twisty road once.
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As in a tire that heats up quick and sticks super well, like an autocross or time attack DOT tire, for a quick canyon run from home, but not a tire that needs the heat handling of an HPDE tire. It doesn't need to run hard for 30 minutes or even 15 minutes. It needs to run hard for 5-8 minutes. Say 6 miles of twisty road once.


Not sure if it’s the stickiest but the RE-71R is a popular autox tire that could also be streeted. The BFG R1 or Hoosier R7 have more grip but both of those would kill you in the rain. Also much more expensive.
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What's the stickiest DOT approved tire I can get for short distances, like no more than 5 miles?
Hoosier A7
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The Hoosier's come with warnings about not really using them on the road. Now I wonder how much stickier RE-71R is vs Cup 2.
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That's because the car is TOO good, and TOO easy to drive.

Try a McLaren. Electronics off.

You mean like this guy?

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/05/...runched-crash/
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As in a tire that heats up quick and sticks super well, like an autocross or time attack DOT tire, for a quick canyon run from home, but not a tire that needs the heat handling of an HPDE tire. It doesn't need to run hard for 30 minutes or even 15 minutes. It needs to run hard for 5-8 minutes. Say 6 miles of twisty road once.
I would say Cup 2's.
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