Twins future question

[accel]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I think it was possible to get a base 86 without the LSD in some countries, but all 86s made in North America came with a LSD IIRC.

Well, I just googled scion frs 2013 brochure pdf and it does not list lsd anywhere in the print amongst other bells and whistles.

Also, I remember visiting both - scion and subaru websites back in time with similar result, but obviously can't prove it now.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by accel

Well, I just googled scion frs 2013 brochure pdf and it does not list lsd anywhere in the print amongst other bells and whistles.

Also, I remember visiting both - scion and subaru websites back in time with similar result, but obviously can't prove it now.

Toyota press release from 2012:

Power is transferred to the pavement via a standard Torsen® limited-slip differential.

http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases...ar+march22.htm

As stated by others, an open differential lower trim option was offered overseas and early speculation wasn't positive that the car would get an LSD. From day 1 all 86's in North America were sold new with Torsen LSD's.

[accel]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Toyota press release from 2012:



http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases...ar+march22.htm

As stated by others, an open differential lower trim option was offered overseas and early speculation wasn't positive that the car would get an LSD. From day 1 all 86's in North America were sold new with Torsen LSD's.

Excellent. Still proves my point. I would NOT buy Scion believing it does NOT have LSD, and would prefer Subaru that had LSD on paper. Someone in marketing department had to be fired.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by accel

Excellent. Still proves my point. I would NOT buy Scion believing it does NOT have LSD, and would prefer Subaru that had LSD on paper. Someone in marketing department had to be fired.

Your language is extremely unclear.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by sofrsnsokleen

Ehhhhhhh.... I'd say just a ball park figure of mark up over current msrp would suffice, i.e 34k compared to a regular stock trim. Most people don't really care about the tariffs and cost of nut over bolts etc.

Low production run, extremely niche car, huge development and export costs (doesn't matter if people "care" about tariffs or not they effect the price of the car) my guess is you would not see such a beast for much under $40K. That is if they could even meet all the requirements and get the green light to export to the US.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by accel

Excellent. Still proves my point. I would NOT buy Scion believing it does NOT have LSD, and would prefer Subaru that had LSD on paper. Someone in marketing department had to be fired.

Scion is a rebadged Toyota. It very clearly says in all the Scion materials that it has the LSD. There is no way that anybody should be confused on that. There was one version of the 86 sold only in Japan that did not have a LSD. The only point you are making is that you did not research.

[accel]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Your language is extremely unclear.

Ok. Potential buyer is considering either FRS or BRZ. The buyer checks manufacturer websites and compares two candidates. The buyer also gets nice color brochures for FRS and BRZ and spends some time researching the cars. It catches buyer's attention that according to provided information Scion FRS does not have LSD (limited slip differential) as either standard equipment or extra option. The buyer also notices that Subaru BRZ does have LSD in the list of options.

Buyers rules Scion out and goes straight to Subaru dealership.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by accel

Ok. Potential buyer is considering either FRS or BRZ. The buyer checks manufacturer websites and compares two candidates. The buyer also gets nice color brochures for FRS and BRZ and spends some time researching the cars. It catches buyer's attention that according to provided information Scion FRS does not have LSD (limited slip differential) as either standard equipment or extra option. The buyer also notices that Subaru BRZ does have LSD in the list of options.

Buyers rules Scion out and goes straight to Subaru dealership.

Please show me one thing that ever EVER said the Scion did not have an LSD. Just one. ALL of the advertising for the FRS said it had it. . The Scion is the exact same car with the only difference being the BRZ and overseas 86s have some more luxury items in higher trim levels. Do you think the Scion was made differently?

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by accel

It catches buyer's attention that according to provided information Scion FRS does not have LSD (limited slip differential) as either standard equipment or extra option.

Your hypothetical is just that, a hypothetical. I'll dig up my brochure from 2012, a Torsen LSD was listed as standard equipment.

Edit, fyi tcoat

Originally Posted by Tcoat

There was one version of the 86 sold only in Japan that did not have a LSD.

Australia made the differential optional too it wasn't available on base AT's early on.

[accel]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Scion is a rebadged Toyota. It very clearly says in all the Scion materials that it has the LSD. There is no way that anybody should be confused on that. There was one version of the 86 sold only in Japan that did not have a LSD. The only point you are making is that you did not research.

Well, I'm having a brochure by "©2012 Scion, a marque of Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A." in front of me and it does not have any mentioning regarding LSD.

[driftartist]

Originally Posted by accel

. It catches buyer's attention that according to provided information Scion FRS does not have LSD (limited slip differential) as either standard equipment or extra option. The buyer also notices that Subaru BRZ does have LSD in the list of options.

Buyers rules Scion out and goes straight to Subaru dealership.

Rookie, as per my window sticker and brochure pinned on my garage wall I can confirm lsd is standard

also: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8517

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by accel

Well, I'm having a brochure by "©2012 Scion, a marque of Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A." in front of me and it does not have any mentioning regarding LSD.

Scion never sold this car as a 2012 model year in the US. I'd love to see the brochure that contradicts that.

[accel]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Scion never sold this car as a 2012 model year in the US. I'd love to see the brochure that contradicts that.

This brochure is about scion 2013. Try harder.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by accel

Well, I'm having a brochure by "©2012 Scion, a marque of Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A." in front of me and it does not have any mentioning regarding LSD.

One of those pretty picture ones from the dealer? Shows you there is an engine and how beautiful the seats are? The BRZ one won't say anything about the LSD in their version of that brochure either. If that is the extent of your research then no wonder you are so confused.



https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...-ar131342.html
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0EOrzn7-Qc"]2013 Scion FR-S | Torsen® Limited Slip Differential Explained - YouTube[/ame]
https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/...dont-know.html
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/21/s...-differential/