Hankook RS3 in Canada

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by fast_dude

Toyo r1r is an awesome tire. However, if you use them as a daily driver they don't last long.

they'll last a summer... of driving and auto crossing.




15 events + daily driving from April to November, still tire left (not competitive but good enough for a lapping day or two)

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by fast_dude

Toyo r1r is an awesome tire. However, if you use them as a daily driver they don't last long.

They'll last about equally as long as any of the current extreme summer tires will.

I got almost two full summers of daily driving, lapping and autox out of a set of Dunlop ZII's (replaced in September, would've lasted until the snows went on if I didn't want to do any more lapping). Plus, I drove for a while with too much toe, which definitely sped up wear. My car has about 96k km's on it, so figure at least 40k km's on the ZII's.

[Canehda]

Originally Posted by wparsons

They'll last about equally as long as any of the current extreme summer tires will.

I got almost two full summers of daily driving, lapping and autox out of a set of Dunlop ZII's (replaced in September, would've lasted until the snows went on if I didn't want to do any more lapping). Plus, I drove for a while with too much toe, which definitely sped up wear. My car has about 96k km's on it, so figure at least 40k km's on the ZII's.

Interesting, the Z2 have been high on my list but I don't really hear much about people loving them or hating them, they are a "meh" tire I always thought. Considering the 255 40 17 size is on for $150USD - closeout on tire rack they may go to the top of the list

[7thgear]

what kind of circles have you been around where people consider the ZIIs a "meh" tire.


Also, why 255 in particular? Do you have the power mods to go along with that?

[fast_dude]

Op, how competitive do wannabe??? If your going autocross for fun just drive the shit out of the stock tires.

[Canehda]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

what kind of circles have you been around where people consider the ZIIs a "meh" tire.


Also, why 255 in particular? Do you have the power mods to go along with that?

@7thgear The toronto subaru club members... All I hear during meets is negatives about the Z2 then I go on the internet and see the positives so in my mind I have always weighed the pros and cons as equal, however some personal experience from toyobaru track guys would probably sway me

And for competitiveness, I really have no idea how I will fair this year and I dont plan on doing a ton of autox or track days, but I don't really want to undercut myself from the beginning by compromising on something like tires which really make a huge difference.

[Canehda]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

what kind of circles have you been around where people consider the ZIIs a "meh" tire.


Also, why 255 in particular? Do you have the power mods to go along with that?

also for the power mods, by spring I will be using the oft stage 2 which won't make a huge difference in itself but I am also waiting for the installation of a final drive which should add to the torque the tires will have to put down, may not require the 255 just yet but I have 17x9 wheels as a future investment which for safety would need at least a 245 size to be within manufacture recommendations for stretch? and seeing as though the 255 40 size is generally the same price as 245 40 (from reviewing prices on 1010tires.com) I figure 255 is the forum approved choice

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by Canehda

the toronto subaru club members...

well, there's your problem


the TSC is more of a "Subaru EBAY for the GTA," if you want track talk hit up the track section on this forum, it's pretty well maintained.

[Canehda]

geez yeah forgot i was a member in that group, i think when I get home I will make a thread in that group to kind and lead other people to it... Im in a ft86 whatsapp group that is pretty polarized in tire choice for this year and it would be good to a have a solid info source for people in southern ontario

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by Canehda

also for the power mods, by spring I will be using the oft stage 2 which won't make a huge difference in itself but I am also waiting for the installation of a final drive which should add to the torque the tires will have to put down, may not require the 255 just yet but I have 17x9 wheels as a future investment which for safety would need at least a 245 size to be within manufacture recommendations for stretch? and seeing as though the 255 40 size is generally the same price as 245 40 (from reviewing prices on 1010tires.com) I figure 255 is the forum approved choice

If you're doing things for fun, then the guidelines are somewhat irrelevant,


but if you're interested in healthy competition, then you really should be aware of the rules different series have.


for instance, in autocross, the final drive mod will push you into a group where cars are expected to have 400whp+ and run on hoosiers,


also, the wider the tire, the more drag you'll have on track, which may slow down your overall time even if your cornering speeds go up. Hence the power requirement.

In OEM trim, the car used for track really won't benefit to having anything wider than a 235, with 225 being the happy medium.


also, a stretched tire on a wide rim is perfectly fine. Generally speaking, tire width = rim width is a good rule of thumb, so a 235/245 is optimal on a 9", 255 would technically be an oversize and be happier on a 10"

[Canehda]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

If you're doing things for fun, then the guidelines are somewhat irrelevant,


but if you're interested in healthy competition, then you really should be aware of the rules different series have.


for instance, in autocross, the final drive mod will push you into a group where cars are expected to have 400whp+ and run on hoosiers,


also, the wider the tire, the more drag you'll have on track, which may slow down your overall time even if your cornering speeds go up. Hence the power requirement.

In OEM trim, the car used for track really won't benefit to having anything wider than a 235, with 225 being the happy medium.

Wow I totally overlooked the final drive mod rules, in fact I was told by the ebay of Subarus group that it was the best thing I could do for autox! I always want to be competitive at some level so I take it as 235 would be an ideal choice, my only concern is that it would seem fairly stretched on my wheels but a few manufactures say 235 will work on a 9" wheel so I guess I will start calling around again!

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by Canehda

Wow I totally overlooked the final drive mod rules, in fact I was told by the ebay of Subarus group that it was the best thing I could do for autox! I always want to be competitive at some level so I take it as 235 would be an ideal choice, my only concern is that it would seem fairly stretched on my wheels but a few manufactures say 235 will work on a 9" wheel so I guess I will start calling around again!

yeah, any transmission/final drive ratio changes I believe plot you into "prepared" (or maybe SM?, I'm getting this clarified). Either of which allow for a plethora of other modifications.

Keep in mind that a final drive change is one of the best mods a car enthusiast can do, it wakes the whole car up. From a sport's perspective, we don't need to cruise in 6th gear at 3k... so effectively "all" production cars are gear limited when it comes to racing use. Most would absolutely love to change their gearing... and hence probably why it's only an allowable mod in the higher classes.

(hell, if I wasn't commited to my class, the cusco final drive would have been my first mod back when they introduced it)

The class you should be looking at for good and healthy competition is STX, you're fine to run on street tires and a 17x9 rim, plus a selection of common engine mods.

you can check out this thread for a complete breakdown of your options;
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25779


In Ontario we have a very, very healthy ST* following so you'll be in good company if you can tune to that class.

[Canehda]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

yeah, any transmission/final drive ratio changes I believe plot you into "prepared" (or maybe SM?, I'm getting this clarified). Either of which allow for a plethora of other modifications.

Keep in mind that a final drive change is one of the best mods a car enthusiast can do, it wakes the whole car up. From a sport's perspective, we don't need to cruise in 6th gear at 3k... so effectively "all" production cars are gear limited when it comes to racing use. Most would absolutely love to change their gearing... and hence probably why it's only an allowable mod in the higher classes.


The class you should be looking at for good and healthy competition is STX, you're fine to run on street tires and a 17x9 rim, plus a selection of common engine mods.

you can check out this thread for a complete breakdown of your options;
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25779


In Ontario we have a very, very healthy ST* following so you'll be in good company if you can tune to that class.

Excellent, ST is where I want to be and I've made sure all of my engine/ suspension mods are compliant with this class

thanks for the link, will be doing some more reading on this

[wparsons]

I'd stick with a 225/45 on an 8" wheel or a 245/40 on a 9" wheel. I personally have 225's and there's no lack of grip at all.