BMW 2014 F80 M3 Engine (Turbo Inline 6) Physically Exposed!

[Synack]

It looks like manufacturers are finally taking the hint that we want boost in our cars

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[bimmerboy]

Originally Posted by Laika

Me too but then they slapped the true enthusiasts in the face by saying its turbocharged. BMW did such a good job with the E60 engine that they should have just used that engine in every future M5 but of course fuel laws and such don't approve of this.

Even the E9X V8 with an 8400 rpm redline was more of an M car than the current M5.


We fell in love with M cars because they were NA, high revving, manual transmission (mostly) tracks cars for the street. I don't know what's going on at BMW these days...."JEREMY CLARKSON SAYS IT NEEDS MORE POWER! HANS! GET THE TURBOS!"

More importantly, M cars have gained so much weight recently.. Sucks because the base 3/5 series are all growing as well, which means the inevitable for the M cars...

I think the only recent example of a true M car was the 1M. Very fun to drive and track-oriented that you could also enjoy everyday. Not too heavy, and was fun to drive even with the twin turbo I6.

BMW has been selling out lately as a whole, I hope the new M3 delivers!

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by bimmerboy

More importantly, M cars have gained so much weight recently.. Sucks because the base 3/5 series are all growing as well, which means the inevitable for the M cars...

I think the only recent example of a true M car was the 1M. Very fun to drive and track-oriented that you could also enjoy everyday. Not too heavy, and was fun to drive even with the twin turbo I6.

BMW has been selling out lately as a whole, I hope the new M3 delivers!

Every new generation of the M3 released has bested the previous generation and it's current competition around the ring. I would expect this one to be no different.

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by Laika

Me too but then they slapped the true enthusiasts in the face by saying its turbocharged. BMW did such a good job with the E60 engine that they should have just used that engine in every future M5 but of course fuel laws and such don't approve of this.

Even the E9X V8 with an 8400 rpm redline was more of an M car than the current M5.


We fell in love with M cars because they were NA, high revving, manual transmission (mostly) tracks cars for the street. I don't know what's going on at BMW these days...."JEREMY CLARKSON SAYS IT NEEDS MORE POWER! HANS! GET THE TURBOS!"

It is all a matter of perspective and preference. I offer the following: They're not slapping anybody in the face, they're using the best current setup they k now to make the best car they can. And it's not like they're new to turbocharging.

My only gripe is that I want more turbodiesel BMW's (with manual gearboxes) in the US market. I've been wanting this for decades.

[TRD_86]

after all, .... the 86 is one heck of the best looking open engine bay

[bimmerboy]

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

Every new generation of the M3 released has bested the previous generation and it's current competition around the ring. I would expect this one to be no different.

mainly due to HP increase. Every new generation of M3 has also lost some of the driving engagement and pure precision vs the previous generation.

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by bimmerboy

mainly due to HP increase. Every new generation of M3 has also lost some of the driving engagement and pure precision vs the previous generation.

There's nothing wrong with the new stuff, but it's just not for everybody.

Count me in the "drives old ones" group.

[Laika]

Originally Posted by bimmerboy

More importantly, M cars have gained so much weight recently.. Sucks because the base 3/5 series are all growing as well, which means the inevitable for the M cars...

I know! I wish it were financially feasible to start from scratch for the M cars. To make this clear, look at how Subaru has now decided to make the WRX/STI from a different platform than the impreza so they can make it lighter and more performance oriented. Obviously BMW doesn't need to do this for power reasons but it would make it a more purpose built car if they were to do something like this.

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

It is all a matter of perspective and preference. I offer the following: They're not slapping anybody in the face, they're using the best current setup they k now to make the best car they can. And it's not like they're new to turbocharging.

My only gripe is that I want more turbodiesel BMW's (with manual gearboxes) in the US market. I've been wanting this for decades.

on the manual turbodiesels. Even the automatic ones carry a huge punch and in a car like that the manual isn't too necessary but it would add to the torquey fun.

And yes they are making the best car they can make but is that really what everyone wants? When Mazda made the NB (I think it was the NB) they wanted it to be better than the NA in certain ways but apparently they didn't want it to have more grip. After a certain point you're definitely overengineering the car for practical purposes and that makes it difficult to be able to fully enjoy because you can't ever drive it "balls to the walls".

The 1M is a remarkable little car on paper. I don't know enough to judge it beyond that but I doubt I'd be unhappy with one.

At the end of the day, for most owners an M car is just bragging rights at the pub. Fortunately, I do see a good amount of e9X M3 owners giving their cars a proper hooning in my area.

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by bimmerboy

mainly due to HP increase. Every new generation of M3 has also lost some of the driving engagement and pure precision vs the previous generation.

Both are true statements. As the series cars get more bloated, it's evadible the M cars will follow. It's still going to be a great car and one I would drive again in a heartbeat.

Honestly the FR-S is so appealing to me because it's a car completely in the opposite direction to where the M cars are going. What I would really like to see in a comprensive road/track test of the E30 M3 vs. FR-S/GT86. Both are about the same weight and horse power.

[bimmerboy]

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

Both are true statements. As the series cars get more bloated, it's evadible the M cars will follow. It's still going to be a great car and one I would drive again in a heartbeat.

Honestly the FR-S is so appealing to me because it's a car completely in the opposite direction to where the M cars are going. What I would really like to see in a comprensive road/track test of the E30 M3 vs. FR-S/GT86. Both are about the same weight and horse power.

Agreed

I have so much respect for the frs/brz because of the fact it has its very own platform. No compromises due to platform sharing which is basically unheard of in a <30k sporty car.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by Laika

Me too but then they slapped the true enthusiasts in the face by saying its turbocharged. BMW did such a good job with the E60 engine that they should have just used that engine in every future M5 but of course fuel laws and such don't approve of this.

Even the E9X V8 with an 8400 rpm redline was more of an M car than the current M5.

We fell in love with M cars because they were NA, high revving, manual transmission (mostly) tracks cars for the street. I don't know what's going on at BMW these days...."JEREMY CLARKSON SAYS IT NEEDS MORE POWER! HANS! GET THE TURBOS!"

I actually really like the S65 engine. For a car of that caliber, the displacement/torque is "modest", and the 8400rpm redline is just insanely cool. They really didn't try to take the easy route with that one. Whenever I see one on the road take off, the sound gives me chills, it's absolutely beautiful.

If they made a 7 speed manual gearbox for it I think I would actually try to save up for one (after I get out of school of course).

Of course, this new M3 could be a giant surprise and have the rumored electric turbo system, which would give it the razor sharp transient response that an NA engine has (although less of the cool sound). Unfortunately it doesn't sound like it revs too high from the videos (unless they were intentionally holding back so people would be pleasantly surprised), which sucks.

Seeing how much special attention was paid to the S65, I feel like they could've worked out a special "3d camshaft" sort of thing for it, reduced the displacement, but keep the high rev NA. Or maybe a little bit of boost, but not this whole cut redline, super high boost crap. Screw the people who bitch about torque. There's a reason you have a transmission.

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by bimmerboy

I have so much respect for the frs/brz because of the fact it has its very own platform. No compromises due to platform sharing which is basically unheard of in a <30k sporty car.

I am confused. The AS1 platform is shared by the FRS and BRZ. Can you elaborate?

[LSxJunkie]

Is this going to have Valvetronic like the F10 M5? Fucking voodoo. Give me throttle bodies any day.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Is this going to have Valvetronic like the F10 M5? Fucking voodoo. Give me throttle bodies any day.

Valvetronic makes the whole turbo lag situation better though :O Well, at least in theory it can.

I'm still waiting for a company other than Ferrari to grow the balls to make an "infinite profile" intake camshaft. I'm sorta disappointed BMW isn't trying, they go through trouble to improve VANOS response (no one else gives a shit about this), integrate knock sensing into the spark plugs, use the most advanced fuel metering strategy, and put Valvetronic on even their entry level stuff. They have an M division that makes some of the most exotic engines out there, so why aren't they trying to innovate a little here? We're talking very high end cars, an extra few thousand bucks for something like this isn't asking too much.