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Does any one know if the 86 Badges on the fender are held on with just adhesive or do they have pins too. If Imma debadge it Imma take em allll off. Having scion emblems doesn't bother me. I just want a nice clean look. Plus ill probably end up replacing the bumper n trunk anyways
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Can a lot of the stuff I just mentioned be changed with aftermarket parts? Yup. Can it be changed for cheaper than the $100 or so it would take to rebadge my car as a Toyota? Nope. Actually, I imagine if we all made a concerted effort to not on the customer survey forms that will be arriving in the mail post-purchase, that we would rather have seen this car marketed as a Toyota, I imagine they'll pay more attention to that than just to sales alone. Reading sales is like reading tea leaves; reading a customer feedback form is like, well... reading English. |
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Im pretty much in the same mindset as TuxedoCartman. I was on the fence for a long while between the two cars but i just like the look of the FR-S better. I was going to leave it up to a test drive between the two cars (although i prefer a more neutral handling) but the fact that Subaru is going to be so limited and the ridiculous markups they set pretty much sealed it (maybe if they get prices and quantity under control when I'm actually in the market for this car but i don't think these problems are going away anytime soon). I ain't spending 6+ grand more for the subie badging.
And ironically even though i don't care at all for the Scion brand i can actually appreciate from a business standpoint why they're using Scion for the American market so it's not like i can really be mad at them for doing so. Scion as a whole hasn't really been doing well and this is Toyota's way of jump starting the brand. America is also a lot more brand conscious than most other places and if they can actually improve Scion's image they are in a better position to sell better considering the word Toyota here is synonymous with "boring". My personal choice though is I'd rather be associated with boring since i have yet to meet someone IRL who owns a Scion that I've actually liked. |
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Though technically Toyota has found a fit for it, in the Scion lineup as far as sales go. Granted it would have probably sold just as well as a Toyota, what conflicts that may have caused is beyond me. And as far as advertising, in regards to car shows and demonstrations they have in fact included the car's "heritage." The only real difference is a demographic, which in this particular part of the U.S. (SE) you don't even really notice...as people drive cars, meaning at some point or another you're going to see someone of some age driving a scion. Though in other parts it's quite the stigma, as noted by insurance prices and impression of the brand itself...but brands change over time as we've all seen. Rather than letting a brand die, they chose to reinvigorate it with a sports car, which currently leaned more towards the current scion than toyota (first thing you think of is a Camry or surprisingly enough a tundra). There's nothing super sporty about either brand currently (I don't really count the Tc), but a choice was made. Besides, Toyota already has a pretty lengthy list of cars in the lineup. Toyota sells volume in the form of corollas, avalons, you name it. They're going to use that. Scion is more of a plaything to begin with, so they're toying with the sports car idea using that brand. I don't see it as a terrible idea, why mess with a good thing when if you put something people are going to want somewhere, they will in fact find it and buy it. Who knows, maybe after a while Toyota will bring over the high spec GT version as a Toyota rather than a Scion;Though I would worry the difference in price would be semi-steep ($5k-ish minimum), which would then set the tone between the brands for that car. But as it has been mentioned before, that's doubtful. -------------- Anyway, to be on topic. I may very well swap the badges, hell even if I got the Subaru I might do it. Just depends on what I felt I wanted. It's my car anyway, and it's simply an aesthetic...like many other mods.
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They also still have to support the rest of the brand's lineup and at this point they really can't just drop it. The xb and xd may be gone but they still have to support the tC as well as the new iQ. They can't just have 1 or 2 cars for a lineup. Quote:
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Scion makes a big deal about mono-spec pricing, a lack of trim levels, and having everything be an accessory. The thing is though, choice is good for the consumer. It is true that it's not to the consumer's benefit to be forced to buy option packages to get individual features, but Scion makes it seem like you can get those individual features separately when that's plainly not the case. With other brands, lesser features like fog lights and a spoiler are often available as individual options, but if you do in fact want leather seats and climate control, you have the choice to choose an option package that includes those features. Assuming you could even get the individual constituent features of the packages separately, you usually end up paying more than you do if you bundle features together in those packages, even if you end up with features you don't necessarily want. However, in Scion's case, you can't get climate control, you can't get keyless entry and start, and you can't get leather and alcantara seats, HID headlamps, heated seats and mirrors, navigation, all features that a prospective buyer may be interested in. The FR-S is unique in that you can go to the Subaru brand if you want those features, but you're still left with slightly different styling, a different dealer network, and a different pricing model, all things that may be unappealing to Scion's target demographic and even those who don't fit the mold. What many dealers will do to try to fill the gap is to offer dealer-installed add -ons, like aftermarket leather and heated seats, but these add-ons are often marked-up substantially from their market value. Additionally, it will be hard to value these add-ons when it comes time to resell the car; they either won't add much to the car's value or they'll add nothing at all having been "aftermarket" additions. Speaking of which, this leads me to my second major gripe about Scion's pricing/accessories model: accessories are often not taken into consideration when valuing the car through tools such as the Kelly Blue Book, devaluing accessorized cars. Things like BeSpoke audio which can add a large amount to the vehicle's overall price, will not be included when tallying-up a car's features, and will therefore not be straightforward to appraise. When it comes time for a Scion owner to trade-up, those accessories will have done very little to boost his car's market price in the eyes of most buyers, both private persons and dealers alike. |
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Well i never did say that i necessarily liked how Scion does their pricing and accessory/trims. In fact i hate it because again it's all about trying to rope in younger buyers with simplicity (which i despise). It was designed with my generation in mind that spends more time thinking about ipods than automobiles. There are very good reasons why nobody else does it this way, many of the reasons you pointed out.
The only upside to their 'Pure Pricing' policy is that it is beneficial for popular new models like the FR-S because it means the dealer can't mark up the price beyond MSRP. Toyota/Scion dealers would have done the same thing Subaru is doing right now if they could get away with it but you pay for this 'feature' down the road when the car becomes less popular and any bargaining chips/hopes of invoice pricing you had go out the window (because it works both ways). Thankfully I'm the kind of guy who actually prefers the lower trim levels however so the Scion actually fits me better in this regard as well (hell, I'd rather have manual windows/door locks if they actually offered it, I'm weird like that) and until/if Subaru ever gets more of a surplus of cars the FR-S is the only sane choice. I think we might be getting off topic though... |
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/TOYOTA-JAPAN...sories&vxp=mtr
heres the gt 86 badge, showing because it shows how the back side is made, got 2 pins that secure it on :P dunno if the scion ver will be different
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At the end of the day, you drive a Scion, because that's how they sold these cars in this country. You can change badges all day long, you're not fooling anyone. Have fun looking yourselves in the mirror and sleeping well at night. gg
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Out of curiosity, did you import that 95 Silvia you have in your sig? Like a real-deal OG Japanese RHD Silvia... because they never made that car here. If not, you calling your Nissan 240SX a Silvia is the same thing.
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