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04-25-2012, 07:02 PM | #29 |
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The FR-S and BRZ have the same specs. This car is not about numbers, but the passion/feel of the car for drift and turns. If you want to compare numbers and speed, get a turbo or supercharge.
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04-25-2012, 07:21 PM | #30 |
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If you bought two WRX turbo models from the dealer today, and drove them back to back with surgical, robotic precision, you'd probably find that one was .2 tenths of a second faster than the other. That can be blamed on production tolerances, one being built on a Friday, the phase of the moon, the guy driving getting a slightly better launch, or whatever else you want to blame it on. That's just what it is.
The FRS and the BRZ are the same car with a different nose, and slightly different suspension tuning. So neither is going to be faster than the other in a straight line, other than the possibility that one launches better than the other due to the suspension tuning. A rolling start of 5-60 would most likely be identical besides the weight of the driver. I can say from experience that, on any given day, the BRZ can beat the FRS around the track, or the FRS can beat the BRZ around the track, or they have a dead tie. Depending on drivers, the BRZ could beat the FRS around the track by an easy 6 seconds. I know this because my first experience with Tsukuba Circuit, I beat an experienced motor journalist around the track with a 1.18 time vs. his 1.24 time *in the same mx5*. If anybody here really is going to buy the FRS because they think it's "faster" than the BRZ, then they'll end up disappointed. If they buy it because they like Toyota dealers better, or they like the nose better, or they like the price better, or the options available better, they won't be disappointed at all. Regards, Paul Hansen www.avoturboworld.com www.facebook.com/BRZSportsCarClub |
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unless toyota is hiding something from the public, these cars are 99% identical.
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Maybe add a throttle position switch so at WOT you get a HID boost..along with AIDS
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Really Mods?
Erasing my Posts already? Like I said If at this point in the cycle you believe the FRs is faster than a BRZ don't buy a BRz you do not have the intellectual capacity to maintain a car of this limited production status and do not posses the critical thinking abilities to secure the vehicle a long and prosperous life... and you might be stupid... |
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Perhaps the mods should delete your most recent post too. How is it a mark of a lack of intellectual capacity or stupidness to buy the FRS over the BRZ IF (emphasis on IF) it's true that the FRS is faster than the BRZ? The cars are roughly identical, but if the FRS is faster AND cheaper, wouldn't it seem sensible (or at least certainly not stupid) to go FRS? In any event, blindly buying the BRZ for more money IF all reviews (and your test-drive) tells you that the FRS is better/faster, would seem to be a sign of a lack of intellectual capacity, if anything would. If you are a critical thinker, shouldn't you compare price and performance when deciding to purchase? ------ Thanks for all the helpful posts above, btw. I certainly feel that it would be unwise to read too much into these reviews. (That being said, they probably shouldn't be ignored completely either.) |
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OP, like many on this forum people seem to forget that BRZ is slghtly heavyer than the FRS due to the standard equipments.
with such low margen as shown in the magazine tests of .2 seconds. the difference can all be in the margin of error, or the slight weight increase in the BRZ is taking its slight effect on the results. if you were to remove some of the extra equipments, I bet the time would be the same between the two cares |
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Personally this always mystified me considering they are going to be built identically for the USDM market, and the only real difference is the fact the BRZ has a navigation head unit and maybe the weight of a couple extra ballasts for the HID system. How people thought this would be a big difference is beyond me. To those who don't know, the curb weights for both production versions of the vehicles have been posted. What's the difference? Just how much more does the BRZ weigh compared to the FR-S? 4 pounds. The BRZ weighs 4 pounds more than the FR-S. When the difference between the two cars is less than packing your lunch, it's time to stop professing what a great performance benefit the weight savings is giving you. |
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that's like saying a 240sx XE is faster than an LE
if there is any discrepancy in the cars it (as was pointed out by Jason Kavanagh of insideline) comes down to driver, car's history, and conditions. there is an ever so slight difference in the weight of the vehicles and it uses slightly different dampers/springs/bushings whatever.... so back to where we were, if you honestly think 2 cars with identical chassis (front fascia aside) identical powertrains, the same drive ratio, tire size, ecu calibration, intake and exhaust track, are going to perform so vastly different that one is the clear cut "faster car" and you are never going to, change tires, or shocks or springs or bushings or put items in the trunk or carry fat chicks or eat before driving, or drive with clothes on..... the differences are within margin of error, (as stated but i know you can't read) it has been known for months that the FR-s intentionally chose rates and damping for the rear to make the car more prone to oversteer. so yeah that'll feel faster, and on some courses especially with limited seat time the car that rotates more readily will be faster... so since you missed it the critical thinking part is where you draw real conclusions from statements and facts rather than just believing what some kid that probably can't drive is whining about on the interwebs... Not to mention if you are buying this car to go fast you are probably buying the wrong car (whichever you buy) |
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I'm buying the BRZ and it will be faster, because I'm driving it against you
We ought to organize a little friendly competition between FR-S and BRZ owners after 6 months or so of ownership. Group people in two or three different classes and see who comes out on top - could be fun!!
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