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03-31-2018, 11:27 PM | #15 |
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I'm a fellow snowball competitor from Syracuse area, and my FR-S is my daily driver so it sees snow, salt, and LOTS of both every winter. Salt isn't used for traction improvement; when I lived farther north in colder climates but with less total snow amounts, they only used sand occasionally. That, coupled with colder weather and hardpack, made for surprisingly good road conditions throughout most of the winter. Salt is used in our areas because we get so much snow that there's really no place to put it; without melting the snow, the banks would get so high they'd dangerously encroach upon visibility and road width. I wish they didn't have to use it, not only because it's terrible for cars (and bridges and other steel structures), but because it makes driving conditions WORSE. I'd way rather drive on snow than on snow melted into slushy ice.. especially after it re-freezes into a sheet of ice with more slushy lubricant on top of it.
As far as protecting my car from the salt.. well... I'm much happier just not worrying about it. Having run the gamut of conscientiously washing some of my cars throughout my life every week throughout the winter, waxing it, spraying the bottom, etc., to doing absolutely nothing until spring, I've found that there's almost no difference. When you wash your car, you're just driving some of that salt farther and farther into crevices you can't reach. So far, the FR-S has stayed in EXCELLENT condition through the Syracuse winters and saltfests... not a speck of rust visible on the body anywhere, and the undercarriage including exhaust is holding it's own very nicely. Factory rust-proofing has come a long way, and dealer-applied coatings are a waste of money in my experience. After-market coatings usually just seal in rust that's already started so you can't see it until it's REALLY bad. I know.. my opinion. Lots disagree. That's cool. It's a car. It's a fun car. It drives well in winter. It's cheap. Don't worry, be happy.
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Yes ever since I switched to a BBK - no dust boots so I stay away from salt. Also my winter tire setup doesn't fit over the brakes anyway. It sucks since I enjoyed driving the FR-S in snow and ripping donuts in empty parking lots.
My other car in the snow is boring. Understeer everywhere. I recently drove my FR-S again and it just brings a smile to my face.
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Roads, cars, bridges, all that is affected like you said, but people forget about the impacts on the water. It all washes into the local streams. I work in the environmental field and can tell you firsthand that chloride and conductivity levels after snow melts in urban areas can peak to near seawater levels. It is wreaking havoc on the aquatic life. Drinking water aquifers have seen steady rising salinity levels since the 80s, directly attributed to the higher salt application rates. Soon it will be an expense to desalinize public drinking water supplies. We've been working to demonstrate the impact, but it mostly falls on deaf ears. I've seen areas in Nova Scotia that ban the use of salt to protect the National Park wetlands, so I wonder if they will ever enact restrictions here in the US. Something needs to be done because its out of control now. I surmise some sort of recommendation based on lbs per road miles per storm should be in order. My 2 cents. Myriad |
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Nope, I throw on snow tires and drive. It's my daily. I've got an unlimited wash pass so it gets washed at least once a week in the winter in an attempt to keep some of the salt off.
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at first i tried to store it for the winter then one day I had to take it out for an emergency since it was my only car available to me then i realized how much fun these are in the snow, so no i do not store it lol
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Yup, I top it up with gas, check the tire pressures and keep it hooked to a smart charger for 6 months. I drive my Lexus IS250 AWD in the snow and rotate that between the BRZ 6 months at a time.
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I do agree that today's cars (from the factory) do hold up better in salt than say 20 years ago. Dealer applied is crap. I still think Fluid film is great stuff, but I realize a lot folks do not want to get the car up on jack stands once a year for a spray.
As brands go, VW/Audi/Porsche bodies with their extensive use of galvanized steel and very nice paint are way ahead of Subaru, Toyota and Honda. Unfortunately, they don't have that Japanese reliability. In the end, it's just a car. You can't take it to the grave.
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Lol at anyone who stores their car in the winter.
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That's exactly why I want to keep it off the road. Every car I've ever owned has fallen apart from rust, rather than dying a more 'natural' death due to mechanical wear. If you get 10 years out of a car up here, you're doing well. I have 14 year on our Jeep and it's on the verge of a terminal cancer diagnosis. Mechanically it's been great, aside from corrosion becoming a bigger and bigger issue whilst performing normal maintenance.
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