Subaru says they cant fit a turbo in the BRZ?

[chaoskaze]

That's good thou, after all toyota & subaru development is said to be aiming towards an "addition" that can be added on to eariler cars with ease. Quote from the engineers in pretty much every single interview...

[t.chk]

Originally Posted by fumanchu1

Op did you read the article at all???

Second sentence: "Speaking to Australian website Motoring" lost me there bullshit radar overload explosion imminent.

electric turbo is what set off my radar. I dont follow the different sites and what their rating is. I was using it more to poke fun at subaru in regards to saying they cant fit a turbo in the BRZ.

[zigzagz94]

Originally Posted by chaoskaze

That's good thou, after all toyota & subaru development is said to be aiming towards an "addition" that can be added on to eariler cars with ease. Quote from the engineers in pretty much every single interview...

Subaru is scrapping SPT and rebranding everything as STi parts. They have stated at the NYIAS that they want to start offering more OEM "aftermarket" upgrades similar to Ford Racing parts. I wouldn't be surprised if they did somehow manage to develop an "electric supercharger" that it would be available through the STi catalogue and backwardly compatible with first gen cars.

[Ganthrithor]

Bullshit.

[Tcoat]

AHHHHHHH SONOFABITCH I clicked it before reading far enough to see it was based on motoring.au.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

A low output (6psi or less) electric supercharger doesn't require an intercooler, or lots of extra exhaust plumbing. Crash certifying a similar setup to the Phantom ESC in my car would be cake.

Think about it from a manufacturing standpoint. Nobody would want to buy a car with an electric supercharger and no auto maker wants to make one. Thats a whole lot of market research they wouldn't have to do.

If this car came from the factory with an electric supercharger I would have laughed at the novelty and immediately looked elsewhere.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Think about it from a manufacturing standpoint. Nobody would want to buy a car with an electric supercharger and no auto maker wants to make one. Thats a whole lot of market research they wouldn't have to do.

If this car came from the factory with an electric supercharger I would have laughed at the novelty and immediately looked elsewhere.

You speak for everybody?
There are loads of people that would be more than happy with a factory electric supercharger I am sure. Need to keep in mind that many just look at the final numbers and don't care how they got there. The after market ones here seem to be doing ok.

[jawn]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

AHHHHHHH SONOFABITCH I clicked it before reading far enough to see it was based on motoring.au.

They're 100% right, 1% of the time.

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by Luftwaffel

I'm not disputing that Motoring.au is terrible, but to be fair, they are quoting Yoshio Hirakawa directly through much of the article. This specific line isn't though, so who knows. It is believable though, and I'm pretty sure nobody on this forum is qualified to say otherwise, so I'll file that one under my personal list of plausible reasons we don't have a BRZ STi.

They always quote people directly, the thing is that doesn't mean they actually talked to said person and the "quote" is not really a quote.

i.e. President Obama said "I will buy all the BRZ's in the world to make a giant transformer".

See how I "quoted" Obama just like Motoring "quotes" people

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by jawn

They're 100% right, 1% of the time.

I wouldn't even give them that much credit TBH

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You speak for everybody?
There are loads of people that would be more than happy with a factory electric supercharger I am sure. Need to keep in mind that many just look at the final numbers and don't care how they got there. The after market ones here seem to be doing ok.

I think the mass public would be extremely skeptical of an electric supercharger and the long term maintenance. People generally don't like hopping on any new kind of band wagon.

The aftermarket ones... I have read the threads and done research, across the board it seems like its looked at as a novelty. I would never take a vehicle with an electric supercharger seriously. This is the only platform I have seen people actually think it is a viable option. Granted the last vehicles I have owned were all LSx or turbo'd so there was absolutely no need for something like an electric supercharger.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I think the mass public would be extremely skeptical of an electric supercharger and the long term maintenance. People generally don't like hopping on any new kind of band wagon.
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This is sort of my point. The mass public doesn't know nor care if it is belt driven, electric or squirrel powered as long as the numbers at the end look good. We as "car guys" know the difference and may be concerned about how it functions but Joe Average just won't care as long as it works. The manufacturers would not be throwing an electric SC on the car unless they are convinced it will work.
Now do I think they are ready to go that route? Not at the current tech levels no, but there could be something out there that even we don't know about.
I am old enough to remember people saying that fuel injection was just a fad and would never go anyplace so maybe I am a bit more optimistic that the tech may be just around the corner.

[Summerwolf]

I think we see skeptical people not just concerned about final numbers with vehicles that have hybrid technology or cylinder deactivation. See it everyday with CVT trans and even average people complain about it never shifting. A lot of manufacters have actually switched to making a CVT sound/feel like it shifts now. New technology is developing everyday. I mean even turbos took a while to catch on for mass use. IDK, interesting debate though!

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Think about it from a manufacturing standpoint. Nobody would want to buy a car with an electric supercharger and no auto maker wants to make one. Thats a whole lot of market research they wouldn't have to do.

If this car came from the factory with an electric supercharger I would have laughed at the novelty and immediately looked elsewhere.

Have you ever ridden in an electrically supercharged car 86? Something tells me not. The boost and torque characteristics are exactly what people want. Reliability should be better than traditional F.I. as there are fewer moving parts and less boost needed (my 5psi kit performs roughly equivalent to an 8psi turbo or super due to its' nearly non-parasitic nature). My setup nets +~80 lb/ft more torque in the much maligned '86 torque dip than a standard FR-S on pump gas with almost no loss in fuel economy. In my configuration boost is near instantaneous so the car feels closer to NA than a traditional turbo. @Robftss goal was to keep the kit simple and inexpensive (under $2k). You can buy upgrades but they're not required. You may laugh at the novelty. I laugh at all the fun I'm having for so little money for nearly a year now. Still, everyone should take the ESC concept very seriously as Audi, BMW, Volvo, Mazda, Acura, and Toyota are widely reported to have ESC tech in the pipeline.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...ake-sense-now/

If your ever in the area of a Phantom ESC owner, ask for a ride. Tell us what you think.