Direct Injector Leaking

[track_warrior]

Wtf are u talking about? I have been NA since day one. Dont try to miss inform people. I thought about going FI but never went. Now i know that the garbage engine in our cars is delicate i will never run FI as a matter of fact im thinking about selling all together. I had a tune and it ran a bit richer than stock since stock the car is pretty lean.

[ft_sjo]

I think you should sell your car too. It'll give you a reason to continue spreading FUD.

[mad_sb]

Originally Posted by wootwoot

So if I bought brz edit could I purchase a tune from you some how?

If you purchase the personal version you won't need to buy a tune, you can update the table yourself.

[phm14]

Originally Posted by track_warrior

Wtf are u talking about? I have been NA since day one. Dont try to miss inform people. I thought about going FI but never went. Now i know that the garbage engine in our cars is delicate i will never run FI as a matter of fact im thinking about selling all together. I had a tune and it ran a bit richer than stock since stock the car is pretty lean.

Apologies. I was a little fuzzy on the details, since it's been ~4 months since I read the thread where you described how you destroyed your motor. This is "Wtf" I'm talking about:
http://www.trackjunkies.org/topic/24...nk-i-broke-it/
Here's how it looks to me: You find a tuner and pay him to d*ck up your car so it runs lean/hot. A tuner that you are aware "tuned" another TJ members NC Miata that subsequently blew up. You take your car to the track, where it becomes apparent that your having major engine problems, so you take it out for another session, where the problem gets worse. What do you do then? Take it out for a third session to make sure it's completely destroyed. Next, you post online that you've "broken it", and your "tuner" re-flashes it back to stock, so you can mislead Toyota into replacing your engine. You take in your fully track prepped car-cage, stripped interior, track wing and all, and Toyota generously replaces your motor. When the dealer warns you that they're only giving you one motor, instead of being grateful for the replacement you got after YOU destroyed your engine, you slam Toyota online, acting as if you had nothing to do with the damage. Your silly admonitions to Toyota about the FRS are comical. What sucks is that we Toyota customers ultimately all share the cost of the companies' generosity in case like yours. Your dishonesty may well cost Toyota and Subaru sales, judging by some of the comments here. No doubt your dishonesty has many here agitated and enjoying their cars less than they should be. A man owns up to his mistakes. I think you owe this whole community an apology, not to mention Toyota, who has gone far above and beyond what's justifiable since you voided your own warranty, then destroyed your motor like an idiot.
BTW, who is "miss inform".

[topazsparrow]

Originally Posted by phm14

Apologies. I was a little fuzzy on the details, since it's been ~4 months since I read the thread where you described how you destroyed your motor. This is "Wtf" I'm talking about:
http://www.trackjunkies.org/topic/24...nk-i-broke-it/
Here's how it looks to me: You find a tuner and pay him to d*ck up your car so it runs lean/hot. A tuner that you are aware "tuned" another TJ members NC Miata that subsequently blew up. You take your car to the track, where it becomes apparent that your having major engine problems, so you take it out for another session, where the problem gets worse. What do you do then? Take it out for a third session to make sure it's completely destroyed. Next, you post online that you've "broken it", and your "tuner" re-flashes it back to stock, so you can mislead Toyota into replacing your engine. You take in your fully track prepped car-cage, stripped interior, track wing and all, and Toyota generously replaces your motor. When the dealer warns you that they're only giving you one motor, instead of being grateful for the replacement you got after YOU destroyed your engine, you slam Toyota online, acting as if you had nothing to do with the damage. Your silly admonitions to Toyota about the FRS are comical. What sucks is that we Toyota customers ultimately all share the cost of the companies' generosity in case like yours. Your dishonesty may well cost Toyota and Subaru sales, judging by some of the comments here. No doubt your dishonesty has many here agitated and enjoying their cars less than they should be. A man owns up to his mistakes. I think you owe this whole community an apology, not to mention Toyota, who has gone far above and beyond what's justifiable since you voided your own warranty, then destroyed your motor like an idiot.
BTW, who is "miss inform".

Well that escalated quickly...

Unfortunately this sounds more like a rant than a rational, well thought out counter-argument. Attacking someone's grammar on an online forum when you can clearly decipher it's intended meaning is also not helping your cause.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by phm14

Apologies. I was a little fuzzy on the details, since it's been ~4 months since I read the thread where you described how you destroyed your motor. This is "Wtf" I'm talking about:
http://www.trackjunkies.org/topic/24...nk-i-broke-it/
Here's how it looks to me: You find a tuner and pay him to d*ck up your car so it runs lean/hot. A tuner that you are aware "tuned" another TJ members NC Miata that subsequently blew up. You take your car to the track, where it becomes apparent that your having major engine problems, so you take it out for another session, where the problem gets worse. What do you do then? Take it out for a third session to make sure it's completely destroyed. Next, you post online that you've "broken it", and your "tuner" re-flashes it back to stock, so you can mislead Toyota into replacing your engine. You take in your fully track prepped car-cage, stripped interior, track wing and all, and Toyota generously replaces your motor. When the dealer warns you that they're only giving you one motor, instead of being grateful for the replacement you got after YOU destroyed your engine, you slam Toyota online, acting as if you had nothing to do with the damage. Your silly admonitions to Toyota about the FRS are comical. What sucks is that we Toyota customers ultimately all share the cost of the companies' generosity in case like yours. Your dishonesty may well cost Toyota and Subaru sales, judging by some of the comments here. No doubt your dishonesty has many here agitated and enjoying their cars less than they should be. A man owns up to his mistakes. I think you owe this whole community an apology, not to mention Toyota, who has gone far above and beyond what's justifiable since you voided your own warranty, then destroyed your motor like an idiot.
BTW, who is "miss inform".

I'm curious what your view of our car is...

[phm14]

Originally Posted by topazsparrow

Well that escalated quickly...

Unfortunately this sounds more like a rant than a rational, well thought out counter-argument. Attacking someone's grammar on an online forum when you can clearly decipher it's intended meaning is also not helping your cause.

I out this guy for for not telling the truth, and your criticizing me? My only "cause" is to get the truth out here. This is the kind of noise that discredits a forum.

[phm14]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I'm curious what your view of our car is...

You stated that you were not running a am tune, correct? Some of the cars with this issue were running am tunes. All I know is what I've read, and I take all of it with a grain of salt, since I don't have 1st hand knowledge of what's been done to any of these cars.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by phm14

You stated that you were not running a am tune, correct? Some of the cars with this issue were running am tunes. All I know is what I've read, and I take all of it with a grain of salt, since I don't have 1st hand knowledge of what's been done to any of these cars.

Correct. Our powertrain was never altered save for an axleback.

The manufacturer can tell if an ECU was ever flashed/altered... and I'm sure they've already look in our case, as Subaru seems to have looked for ways to invalidate our warranty.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Correct. Our powertrain was never altered save for an axleback.

The manufacturer can tell if an ECU was ever flashed/altered... and I'm sure they've already look in our case, as Subaru seems to have looked for ways to invalidate our warranty.

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[strat61caster]

For reference, here is track_warriors thread regarding his issues on this forum, it goes more in depth than the one phm14 linked.

You can read for yourself, everything phm14 said is a bit editorialized but there weren't any blatant lies in his post.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29729

[topazsparrow]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

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I don't think this is the best course of action unless productive negotiations fall through.

Generating bad press over this issue isn't going to help anyone at this point in time. Hopefully with productive discussions, subaru / toyota will come to their senses about this potentially serious issue.

[whtchocla7e]

track_warrior's case should be excluded from the statistical data. No way would I say with 100% certainty that it was caused by a manufacturing defect.

[vgi]

IMO:
tune or not, this issues has happened with people in different location, some may have been running custom tunes and others not, but even cars with the tunes were definitely not from the same tuner tho. one can't assume all the tuners are knuckleheads, which would lead me to believe that it's toyota/subaru production/development related. besides, looking at all the research and posts done by various people on this site it does look like there is a factory tune problem. so why would any cars be excluded from 'statistical data'?

i could agree that the tunes may have contributed to faster problem development, but unless someone can prove it don't just throw out "it's a tune". i do think, just as @track_warrior, that more and more cars will have blown injectors/engines as people who don't track their cars but push them hard on the street get to about the same 'WOT time + shifting at redline' on the engine as guys who track their cars.

should i be grateful to subu/toyo that they overlooked this issue, or many other annoying things, and apologize and thank them when I bring my car to the dealer to fix something? i think not. would i recommend this car as it is to anyone? nope. am i considering selling it once the warranty runs out? i do.

so why is writing concerns and thoughts here on forum considered 'purposely making a bad publicity'? any product either sells itself, or it buries itself because people share their reviews and opinions, bad or good. i for one, do want to hear both.

just my 2 cents