More confirmation from Toyota on next gen 86

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I am going to go find my argument with that one dude 3 years ago where I said that the Global Platform could be used and he (and many others) told me it was impossible.

Yes I remember the arguments of that time. I believe that you were right from the beginning.

[86MLR]

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[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I am going to go find my argument with that one dude 3 years ago where I said that the Global Platform could be used and he (and many others) told me it was impossible.

I never understood that argument either. That’s exactly what they did to build these cars on the old Impreza chassis in the first place. Swap transaxle for longitudinal tranny, bam, done, RWD.

[why?]

Because it has actual name recognition on a global scale. They sold millions of Celica's over the years.

Originally Posted by yurikaze

I'm trying to understand why so many people want it to carry the Celica name over 86.

What I picture when I hear Celica:


What I picture when I hear 86:

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by why?

Because it has actual name recognition on a global scale. They sold millions of Celica's over the years.

I've had a first gen LT, if I had the space, and inclination for a old car, a LT would be on my short list

With a modern drivetrain and suspension it would be wicked fun

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by why?

Because it has actual name recognition on a global scale. They sold millions of Celica's over the years.

Many, many, MANY non car people know the name Celica. About .00001% of the driving public would have even the slightest clue of what an AE86 even was. Especially since the AE86 was just a chassis designation and not the name of the actual model of car. Of course they would recognize the AE86 name of Corolla but that would give them a whole different mental picture of what it was. Hell, I myself had no clue where the 86 name came from until I read the development history. Didn't know the AE86/Corolla Levin/Sprinter Tureno was a cult classic and didn't care (still don't really). If it wasn't for Initial D I doubt that there would be anybody under the age of 50 that had ever heard of the car in North America.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by yurikaze

I'm trying to understand why so many people want it to carry the Celica name over 86.



What I picture when I hear Celica:





What I picture when I hear 86:

Here you see the Celica CLEARLY in front of the 86:

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by yurikaze

I'm trying to understand why so many people want it to carry the Celica name over 86.

What I picture when I hear Celica:


What I picture when I hear 86:

Celica has been around for ages and has tons of name recognition (as much hate as the 7th gen version shown gets, it was still a popular car for a little bit. I think it gets more love now than it did when it first came out, Maybe the 7th gen got more love because the Scion tC wasn't exactly what people wanted as its spiritual successor.)

86 has been around since Initial D popularized it...… (and it was merely a chassic code....the car itself is named Sprinter/Trueno or Corolla GTS in North America).

Not sure if they COULD place the Celica somewhere where it could be revived though.

Small RWD? 86 and Supra has that spot covered.
FWD? FWD compact coupes are pretty much dead, and it would most likely fit better as a 2 door Corolla coupe. And I doubt if they did that they would call it a Celica over a 2 door corolla coupe....
4WD? Is there a market for a rally style 4WD coupe?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Yes I remember the arguments of that time. I believe that you were right from the beginning.

LOL So NOW you do! I seem to recall a radically different state of affairs back then.


To be clear, both then and now, I never said that they would use the global platform just that it was feasible that they could. The same conditions that make it feasible pretty much totally rule out their even considering the use of the Toyota platform. The whole cost save of a GP is that they can pretty much make any car on any line in any plant with a minimum of fuss and costs. To make a car on a different manufactures platform defeats the whole system. If they used the Toyota platform would they move it to a Toyota plant? Is there even a plant that has the capacity and space for a dedicated one model vehicle? The Gunma plant that currently assembles them makes 7 different models on 4 different lines. Are they going to stop building one of their top selling models to build a one off platform?
This is why I feel that these "reports" that the next gen will be built on a Toyota platform are pure garbage.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Not sure if they COULD place the Celica somewhere where it could be revived though.

Small RWD? 86 and Supra has that spot covered.
FWD? FWD compact coupes are pretty much dead, and it would most likely fit better as a 2 door Corolla coupe. And I doubt if they did that they would call it a Celica over a 2 door corolla coupe....
4WD? Is there a market for a rally style 4WD coupe?

Or the could follow the current trend and just use the name on a big motherin' SUV


Ford "Maverick"


Mitsubishi "Eclipse"
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[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

LOL So NOW you do! I seem to recall a radically different state of affairs back then.

I am evolving

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I am evolving

[Yoshoobaroo]

I like the yellow one, but I made some changes, I’ll be sending it to bestcar with a Toyota spoofed email address.

[Stephen W.]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

The yellow one looks like a mk2 Elise in the headlights

What? Not even if I squint do I see it looking like an Elise. And the rest of the render is pure twin!








That's like me saying it sort of reminds me of a Ferrari because of the wheel nuts.