Autocar: Toyota GT86 vs Porsche Cayman

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by Linseal

Would that be a doable engine swap?

Probably not. The Cayman has a transaxle since it is an MR layout, so getting one to properly mount to a FR car would be pretty difficult. You'd be much better off starting with an engine designed for a front engine car. Besides, the base Cayman engine would only take you up to 275hp, which is not that much gain considering the effort involved. The S engine (3.4L 325hp) would be much better (though still far too much work to be worth it IMHO).

[makesdrivingfunagain]

Originally Posted by husker741

Just the fact that my $27k car is compared to a Porsche regularly makes me happy about my car purchase. It's not as fast, but for the money, you really can't beat the combination of a perfect daily with amazing performance.

Well said! I agree!

[Wise]

Those TRD wheels are ugly as hell

[Wise]

My GTS 86 cost me 35,400 Australian dollars before onroad costs. That's the top of the line model with all trimmings.

The Porsche Cayman in comparison starts at 107k.

So just over a third of it's price.

[Tromatic]

From Jalopnik: http://jalopnik.com/5904824/scion-fr+s-first-drive If Scion sold cars like drug dealers sold drugs, they'd be giving away little bits of the FR-S in baggies to everyone they see. They'd have local news channels running panic stories on the "Scion FR-S problem." Keith Richards would be trying to snort one off Anita Pallenberg's naked behind. Yes, it's just that easy to get addicted to it. Because what Scion has done (well, really what Toyota and Subaru have done) is something so straightforward and simple that it's hard to remember why it's now become so rare. That's right, the FR-S is an honest-to-god old school kick-in-the-ass sports car.

[cmdboy_347]

I love my car....Porsche is overrated.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by cmdboy_347

I love my car....Porsche is overrated.

Have you ever driven one hard?

[PHLonomenal]

Originally Posted by cmdboy_347

I love my car....Porsche is overrated.

Overpriced perhaps but not overrated. Porsche's are great cars and the FR-S is as well. If our 86's had a flat 6 there would be no compelling reason whatsoever to consider a Cayman...EVER. IMO


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[abraxis]

Originally Posted by PHLonomenal

Overpriced perhaps but not overrated. Porsche's are great cars and the FR-S is as well. If our 86's had a flat 6 there would be no compelling reason whatsoever to consider a Cayman...EVER. IMO


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If it's overpriced it's overrated in my opinion. A $60K Boxster or Cayman is not overrated for the performance and quality. A $95K Boxster or Cayman (fully optioned) is highly overrated for the performance and quality.

There is always a compelling reason to own a mid engined car over a FR. Always.

[PHLonomenal]

Originally Posted by abraxis

There is always a compelling reason to own a mid engined car over a FR. Always.

Not for $26k there isn't.


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[cmdboy_347]

Originally Posted by abraxis

If it's overpriced it's overrated in my opinion. A $60K Boxster or Cayman is not overrated for the performance and quality. A $95K Boxster or Cayman (fully optioned) is highly overrated for the performance and quality.

There is always a compelling reason to own a mid engined car over a FR. Always.

You should test drive the new Porsche Boxster and let me know which car you would prefer performance wise...
This is the reason why I bought this FR-S as my daily driver and my Cayenne/550i as my weekend car.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by cmdboy_347

You should test drive the new Porsche Boxster and let me know which car you would prefer performance wise...
This is the reason why I bought this FR-S as my daily driver and my Cayenne/550i as my weekend car.

I don't even like the seating position of the Cayman/Boxster. It's inferior to the 86 in my opinion. So is the stiff ride, number steering and added sense of isolation. I'd have to get a GT to be remotely content so that's $80K and I actually feel the 911 has a superior sense of luxury and ergonomics to me that makes the Cayman/Boxster just feel cheaper I think. Problem is I'm not interested in RR dynamics either and would only go for a 911 turbo S so that's $150K+. But now you are talking a completely different car and class of vehicle.

That said, I know stock a Cayman S will wreck an 86 on the track or at almost every performance benchmark all day long. Though it'll be more mundane doing it.

Yes, there's a reason the FRS is my DD as well. It's not my only car by a mile.

[Bigbadvoodooguru]

When my brother had a new boxster it was extremely fun to drive, and I was much more comfortable driving that car much faster. That + convertible made that car extremely enjoyable to drive. Interior, tech, and overall sportiness was better than the FR-S. Driven alone the power in the FR-S is... lacking. Hopping into the Cayman it is extremely obvious. My previous car was an SLK 55 AMG, and while not great at turning, it pulled about as hard as a stock Cayman S (or felt like it).
Of course compared to his 911, Tesla, black series C, and ferrari the boxster wasnt much...

[OICU812]

I have a FRS, 2 years now. But these folks slamming down Porsche have never driven one. They're extremely refined compared to what we drive. I've driven lots Porsches lately test driving and well they are not boring nor are they in any way mundane. I suspect half folks throwing negative comments are simply those that never have driven one or can never own one is all. Bang for buck are cars are great yes but there's lots to experience out there folks.