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Old 01-27-2016, 05:57 PM   #29
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Am I the only one who has a pure hatred for the boxster? I mean I hardly even consider it a Porsche, It's like a high class Volks to me.
??? Mid-engine/rear-drive is the same as front-engine/front-drive to you?!

I always wished the Boxster/Cayman were further from the 911 in terms of size and weight instead of being right at 3000 lb. +/-, barely less than a base 911. I thought they should have been less-expensive/lighter-weight/less-powerful 4-cylinder cars from the start, possibly with a turbo option.

Unfortunately the newer ones are physically bulkier than the previous models, to me they just look too BIG now.
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I owned a 986. From the firewall forward it is a 996. Quite literally, you can see the part numbers stamped in the panels saying 996. The major difference is engine location and size. Drive one sometime. You'll change your tune. I've driven 944s, too, and they're no where near the car the Boxster is. The Boxster is much closer to a 911 of the same generation than a 944.
First-hand experience driving cars is much more useful than reading articles written by people that don't know cars.
I've driven one before, the first gen's though (986) and it didn't impress me that much. Don't get me wrong, they are decent cars but I just cannot get past the hate I feel inside whenever I see one... Guess it's just not my type of car!?


Well no in a traditional sense, the 944 isn't even a Porsche, it's a volks assembled by Porsche to show VW how it's done (after the horrid 928, yes I hate those too) but I somehow still prefer it to the boxster(probably because of the engine tranny configuration, doesn't make me think it's trying to be a full fledged Porsche?) I really don't know but my reaction to boxster's is visceral and I doubt I'll ever get over it.






Which is weird because I love Porsche normally, I mean the Carrera GT is my all time favorite car and I would kill just to sit in it... ok I'd kill just to lick its windshield covered in dust and dead bugs.
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Am I the only one who has a pure hatred for the boxster?
I mean, people hate Miatas too,
Lots of people like being wrong.
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718 2.0-litre: 296bhp, 280lb-ft, and 40.9mpg

WRX 2.0-litre: 268bhp, 258lb-ft, and 27mpg

718S 2.5-litre: 345bhp, 310lb-ft, and 38.7mpg

STI 2.5-litre: 305bhp, 290lb-ft, and 23mpg


How did they get such good fuel economy?
how the hell did you get that fuel economy?

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/26/2...ster-official/

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The biggest news concerns the flat-fours. The regular 718 Boxster will get a 2.0-liter, turbocharged flat-four producing 300 hp. The 718 Boxster S will get an extra half-liter of displacement and a variable-geometry turbocharger to produce a total of 350 hp. This represents a 35 hp gain over the current Boxster and Boxster S, respectively. Porsche also claims the turbo fours improve fuel economy by around 13 percent. By the NEDC European test cycle, the 2.0-liter gets roughly 34 mpg and the 2.5 gets 32 mpg, although rest assured that EPA test results will yield different numbers than the optimistic European test.
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Old 01-27-2016, 09:25 PM   #33
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how the hell did you get that fuel economy?

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/26/2...ster-official/
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/8-t...e-718-boxster/

"Economy has increased significantly, as you’d expect, with the standard car up 5.1mpg to 40.9mpg, and the 2.5-litre in the S getting a 4.3mpg bump to 38.7mpg. Both figures are for the PDK auto models."
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718 2.0-litre: 296bhp, 280lb-ft, and 40.9mpg

WRX 2.0-litre: 268bhp, 258lb-ft, and 27mpg

718S 2.5-litre: 345bhp, 310lb-ft, and 38.7mpg

STI 2.5-litre: 305bhp, 290lb-ft, and 23mpg


How did they get such good fuel economy?
I believe these are the European cycle numbers which end up being much higher than the US test numbers.

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"Economy has increased significantly, as you’d expect, with the standard car up 5.1mpg to 40.9mpg, and the 2.5-litre in the S getting a 4.3mpg bump to 38.7mpg. Both figures are for the PDK auto models."
Their math is so wrong.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...=3&pnref=story

http://link.porsche.com/718-boxster-fb1

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*Combined fuel consumption in accordance with EU6: 8.1 - 6.9 l/100km; CO2 emissions: 184 - 158 g/km
6.9l/100km is around 34.3MPG.

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It probably is the Euro numbers.

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I guess math isn't their strong point lol.
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Old 01-27-2016, 11:06 PM   #37
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I drove a 986 for 2 years before I traded it for a '15 BRZ. I would have never traded it if there weren't serious maintenance that I didn't have the time or money to fix, and I would go back in a heartbeat. It's easy to criticize numbers, but the car handled better and had more power with both bone stock. Porsche puts a lot more work into the car and doesn't cut corners on the performance ingredients that matter. A 10+ year old boxer has very noticeably better suspension and steering than the 86. Power just makes it more fun. It's disappointing to see the 718 will be a four cylinder, but also understandable they don't want to deliver a Boxster that will blow a 911 out of the water.

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The high mpg numbers must be miles per IMPERIAL gallon. Multiply by .83 to get miles per U.S. gallon. 40.9 mp(I)g is 34 mp(US)g

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Pretty sure the mileage is from the gear ratio... don't they use a DCT 7 speed unit?...O___o With vitural gear or some fancy shit it's like 8 gears.

But i guess the real question is will it fit our engine...lol
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The new turbo 4 probably generate great numbers on paper (fuel economy, midrange torque), but I still love Porsche's NA engines.

The throttle response and sound of the NA 3.4L flat 6 in my old Boxster S was incredible. One of my favorite parts of that car. I wish they had just shoe-horned the NA 3.8L 911 engine into the Cayman/Boxster and called it a day.
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718 2.0-litre: 296bhp, 280lb-ft, and 40.9mpg

WRX 2.0-litre: 268bhp, 258lb-ft, and 27mpg

718S 2.5-litre: 345bhp, 310lb-ft, and 38.7mpg

STI 2.5-litre: 305bhp, 290lb-ft, and 23mpg


How did they get such good fuel economy?
European test cycles =/ US EPA test cycles!

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The new turbo 4 probably generate great numbers on paper (fuel economy, midrange torque), but I still love Porsche's NA engines.

The throttle response and sound of the NA 3.4L flat 6 in my old Boxster S was incredible. One of my favorite parts of that car. I wish they had just shoe-horned the NA 3.8L 911 engine into the Cayman/Boxster and called it a day.
They did, it's called the GT4
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