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View Poll Results: What name should Toyota use for the production Toyota FT-1?
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Old 08-31-2017, 07:13 PM   #1667
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To me Celica XX is what the roots of the Supra should be, similar with the SC/LC originating from the Soarer.

If Toyota wanted to go back in time to the early 80's spiritually like they did with the twins and "Fun To Drive Again", with this blueprint the new Supra would be again marketed as "Super Grand Sport" and the new LC being "Super Gran Turismo".

Now this was the GT car of that same era.

トヨタ 初代 Z10型 ソアラ(SOARER)トヨタ エレクト* マルチビジョンCM 1985年 - YouTube
That is the whole thing. They are not going back to a certain decade or even to the first versions. They are taking the cars back to what people liked the most. The early Celica Supras were fun in their day but they were greatly outclassed by the stand alone versions that followed in the 90s. That is what they are going back to and trying to emulate.
If they were trying to stick close to the originals then the FRS would be a souped up two door Corolla not what we got.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:17 PM   #1668
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I thought your point was that adding weight made a car "better" in all ways? That remains false. Yes the GT will weigh more but it will still be as light as they can possibly make it while still giving it what it needs to play with the big boys.
Wow, you must think so little of me to say such a thing, an absolute, which I don't think I ever did. No worries, I can handle the ad hominems and misrepresentations.
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....I want to keep talking about the benefits weight has for traction on a daily driven supercar by a non-professional driver, but if I don't concede the last word this will keep going. In the end we will have to see what Toyota brings.
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To add a few more things about weight and performance...

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Will weight in general help with traction when aero is lacking? Maybe.

Adding weight can very well lead to better stopping, turning and accelerating. ....
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Wow, you must think so little of me to say such a thing, an absolute, which I don't think I ever did. No worries, I can handle the ad hominems and misrepresentations.
These are not ad hominems but rebuttals to your earlier statements. No one is attacking you but your general comments about weight and car performance, and your repeated referrals to the ridiculous statements about weight and downforce in that referred article that you complained "no one could read".

Weight is with a car always, at any speed, at any position. Downforce should vary with speed and should be controllable. They are in no way alike.
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These are not ad hominems but rebuttals to your earlier statements. No one is attacking you but your general comments about weight and car performance, and your repeated referrals to the ridiculous statements about weight and downforce in that referred article that you complained "no one could read".

Weight is with a car always, at any speed, at any position. Downforce should vary with speed and should be controllable. They are in no way alike.
So I can be quoted saying that adding stuff like larger brakes or a turbo kit leads to better performance at the cost of some weight gain (this is a fact we all accept, and there are only several acceptions to it being an absolute). And I also can be quoted saying that weight can be good even if power to weight ratio is constant; in other words, a car at 4000lbs at 7lbs per hp may be better than a car at 3000lbs that has 7lbs per hp, and I gave arguments and examples (this point has been refuted as an absolute that I am wrong, and has been misrepresented then argued against, or strawmaned).

At no time did I give any absolutes. At no time was I suggesting someone should toss sand bags in their trunk and something like that would improve handling. I get that people love to attack others on the internet and will interpret whatever they read into whatever they want to believe it says so they can have their fun. I get that. But it isn't polite.



To the Supra:

I'm hoping this is a true GT car with ample power and with comfort for touring, and with big potential for power gains. I get there is a large trend for a car to prove itself on the track, so we see the extremes of tech in cars like the NSX and holy trinity cars. I see push back from the groups calling for a back-to-basics wanting more light weight and simple cars with examples like the 86 and 911R. Hopefully it doesn't lose its identity shooting for low weight or ending up the size of a cramped two seater roadster, and hopefully it isn't as painfully complicated as the current NSX. Im not expecting it to be as over-built as the mkiv but im hoping the glass sealing for when the engine, tranny or diff goes is decent for tuning and moding potential.
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https://www.carthrottle.com/post/nzq4y7e/

Article I found today. Im curious if people would prefer the straight six or some v6 or some hybrid like the NSX. Having owned two mkiv Supras and other straight six cars, I'm hoping for the straight six. True to its history and with that same straight six sound and feel. Im wondering if BMW has it to do a 3.3-3.5 liter twin turbo version of the M3/M4 engine.
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If they were trying to stick close to the originals then the FRS would be a souped up two door Corolla not what we got.




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I think Bimmer fucked up this new Supra's supposedly sleek shape big time.

It's too bubbly and reminds me of this:

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If they were trying to stick close to the originals then the FRS would be a souped up two door Corolla not what we got.
I think people are forgetting that toyota didn't look solely to the AE86 for inspiration. A lot of the design cues were inspired by the 2000gt. Keeping this in mind, I'd say they did pretty well bringing the originals into the modern era.
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I think people are forgetting that toyota didn't look solely to the AE86 for inspiration. A lot of the design cues were inspired by the 2000gt
And the Celica. In my mind it is far more Celica inspired than it is AE86.
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And the Celica. In my mind it is far more Celica inspired than it is AE86.
I think a lot of the engineering and "idea" of what the car should be like to drive is very reminiscent of the ae86, however the styling is far more celica/2000gt.
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The AE part of 86 is a chassis code. Both of those cars you pictured are AEs.


To quote Wikipedia (too lazy to write it out".
"In classic Toyota code, the "A" represents the engine that came in the car (4A series), "E" represents the Corolla, "8" represents the fifth generation (E80 series) and "6" represents the variation within this generation."


The only difference between the two (when they had the same engine) is the 6 at the end which designates the two door model.


Your first picture shows a Sprinter which does look a bit different from the 4 door. If instead you use a picture of a Levin then it becomes obvious that it is a two door Corolla.



I know it is blasphemy to say such things on here but the Levin and Trueno are both just sport compact versions of the Corolla.
The versions imported into the US and Canada were nowhere near as well set up as the JDM ones and they really were never a hit here. Although very popular in Japan if it wasn't for a certain anime the car would have dropped off into total obscurity here.
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I think a lot of the engineering and "idea" of what the car should be like to drive is very reminiscent of the ae86, however the styling is far more celica/2000gt.
The idea yes. The engineering no. There is no comparison between the two when the engineering is looked closely.
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The idea yes. The engineering no. There is no comparison between the two when the engineering is looked closely.
I guess what I mean by that is the ft86 and ae86 are both light weight fun to drive FR set up high revving 4 cylinder, so i guess mostly the idea.
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