2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by unhappymeal

Hoooboy does the Supra put its power down well. Car and Driver got 0-60 in 3.8s with a 12.3 s quarter mile. Not bad for 335 horsepower. Oh, it also turns in 31 mpg on the highway.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...on-zero-to-60/

"Our best runs involved a light dollop of brake torquing to get engine revs off idle and then carefully applying the gas pedal to avoid excessive wheelspin. The launch-control program, which was inconsistent in its engagement, was considerably slower."

Nice to get a number for impression, not nice to do it continuously with this transmission. They should have used the launch-control.

Originally Posted by gymratter

^post #1132 :p

its clearly underrated. my guess is anywhere from 380-400hp at the crank.

So how much underrated is the Z4 "382-hp" six-cylinder? 430-450 hp? :b

What this engine is all about is the low-mid torque, but comparing to the Z4 it is clear that power is restricted to the top. I am sure that tuners will find a way to remove the restriction, but then warranty goes out of the window.

[WolfpackS2k]

^Yeah, the launch control program probably does the same thing. I'm sure the transmission is fine.

@unhappymeal, all BMW turbo engines are quite underrated from factory. And a quick shifting automatic will always impress with fast numbers when combined with a modern turbo engine. A better indication of how quick the car is, in conventional/practical terms, is the 5-60 mph time. I think C&D is the only magazine that actually measures that.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

So how much underrated is the Z4 "382-hp" six-cylinder? 430-450 hp? :b

could very well be, and according to bimmerpost insider the Surpa is also getting the "385hp" B58B30O1.

https://g29.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...01686&page=101

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/bmw...s-coming.1785/

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/toy...ack-form.1787/

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

^Yeah, the launch control program probably does the same thing. I'm sure the transmission is fine.

If it does exactly the same thing then why there is a difference in the result? How much does it rev the engine the launch control? Doing it manually you change the parameters and you can stress the transmission more. Journalists don't care doing this on a test car. It is not their own car.

[WolfpackS2k]

As far as performance goes (as measured by C&D), here's a current Cayman S PDK:



Previous gen Cayman S 6sp:



BMW M2 Competition DCT:



Just for reference. Supra's in good company.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Edit: Tyler, I mean, either you're willing to buy a $50k BMW or not, it's really a question of if it drives well enough for you to take the risk right? The engine, mechanics and interior aren't going to be anything new or scary or prone to change over the next three to four years, it'd only be body panels and such at risk, but the Germans are actually good at that now, except I guess shock tower bracing.

What I mean is I'd like to see what kind of bugs the car has and how they get sorted after release. I don't care enough to get one that I need to jump on one the second it's released. I'm fine with waiting a year to see how the car does, and hopefully allow the demand to settle (since I wouldn't be surprised if dealers were charging ADM upon release). Additionally, I want to see how the dealer network manages the maintanence and warranty claims of this car.

It's an entirely new vehicle and a new venture for Toyota; there's bound to be hiccups. I'd just like to wait for those initial ones to be discovered and addressed.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

It's an entirely new vehicle and a new venture for Toyota; there's bound to be hiccups. I'd just like to wait for those initial ones to be discovered and addressed.

Any fully new model car can and likely will have some things to iron out. This can be magnified when it is a joint venture.


Although there are plenty of guys that have had no big issues with the early cars I am very glad that I did not know it existed until well into the 3rd year of production.


All apply to the initial run cars. Only 3 apply to 14s forward (as well as the initial run cars)




S-SB-0009-12 : DRL Customization
S-SB-0019-12 : Dash Mounted Speaker Grille Appearance
S-SB-0023-12 : Chirping Noise from High Pressure Fuel Pump (Original)
S-SB-0023-12-Rev2 : Chirping Noise from High Pressure Fuel Pump (Revised)
S-SB-0007-16 : Chirping Noise from High Pressure Fuel Pump (NEW)
S-SB-0002-13 : Condensation in Rear Combination Lamp
S-SB-0014-13 : Rattle Noise From MT Shift Lever
S-SB-0033-13 : Hard Start, Rough Idle, Camshaft Sensor or Misfire DTCs
S-SB-0040-13 : Intermittent RPM Drop
S-SB-0041-13 : Taillight Lens Cracking
S-SB-0001-14 : Window Freezing, Losing Initialization
S-SB-0009-14 : Outside Door Weatherstrip
S-SB-0021-15 : Idle Fluctuation in Park or Neutral
S-SB-0012-17 : Abnormal Noise When Clutch Pedal is Depressed
S-TT-0043-12 (Not a TSB): Body panels that aren’t flush. LINK to DIY

[Lantanafrs2]

I wasn't too fond of this thing at first thinking it might be an overly purist tada wagon. Glad to be wrong

[BigTuna]

Here is a good read. It compares the Supra directly to an 86.

https://jalopnik.com/how-the-2020-to...-in-1834736476

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Any fully new model car can and likely will have some things to iron out. This can be magnified when it is a joint venture.


Although there are plenty of guys that have had no big issues with the early cars I am very glad that I did not know it existed until well into the 3rd year of production.


All apply to the initial run cars. Only 3 apply to 14s forward (as well as the initial run cars)




S-SB-0009-12 : DRL Customization
S-SB-0019-12 : Dash Mounted Speaker Grille Appearance
S-SB-0023-12 : Chirping Noise from High Pressure Fuel Pump (Original)
S-SB-0023-12-Rev2 : Chirping Noise from High Pressure Fuel Pump (Revised)
S-SB-0007-16 : Chirping Noise from High Pressure Fuel Pump (NEW)
S-SB-0002-13 : Condensation in Rear Combination Lamp
S-SB-0014-13 : Rattle Noise From MT Shift Lever
S-SB-0033-13 : Hard Start, Rough Idle, Camshaft Sensor or Misfire DTCs
S-SB-0040-13 : Intermittent RPM Drop
S-SB-0041-13 : Taillight Lens Cracking
S-SB-0001-14 : Window Freezing, Losing Initialization
S-SB-0009-14 : Outside Door Weatherstrip
S-SB-0021-15 : Idle Fluctuation in Park or Neutral
S-SB-0012-17 : Abnormal Noise When Clutch Pedal is Depressed
S-TT-0043-12 (Not a TSB): Body panels that aren’t flush. LINK to DIY

Half of those are from a brand new power train, the B58 has over five years in production already.

The other half are from Subaru being shit at plastics and interiors, I'm not saying BMW is perfect, far from it, our B48 needed new crank bearings at 15k miles, I just don't know what you guys expect will change in a year.

Don't get me wrong, it's sensible to wait, but I don't think you'll magically dodge some major issues, the 86 still has problems popping up on new cars, I doubt the Zupra will be any different.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Half of those are from a brand new power train, the B58 has over five years in production already.

The other half are from Subaru being shit at plastics and interiors, I'm not saying BMW is perfect, far from it, our B48 needed new crank bearings at 15k miles, I just don't know what you guys expect will change in a year.

Don't get me wrong, it's sensible to wait, but I don't think you'll magically dodge some major issues, the 86 still has problems popping up on new cars, I doubt the Zupra will be any different.

Could go to any make and model and find a similar first year list though. Just using that to illustrate a the the issues (mostly minor) taper off quickly as the model advances. Wasn't using it to say those types of issues will apply.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Here is a good read. It compares the Supra directly to an 86.

https://jalopnik.com/how-the-2020-to...-in-1834736476

That's a nice read.
You wont go wrong with either of them.

Definitely sounds like you'd start off in an 86 and "graduate" to a Supra when you develop some driving skills and need a more potent machine.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

That's a nice read.
You wont go wrong with either of them.

Definitely sounds like you'd start off in an 86 and "graduate" to a Supra when you develop some driving skills and need a more potent machine.

I wouldn't call it "graduate" car, but more toward, two different types of cars. I've done both Supra and 86 on the same day at the road and track. Supra just want to go fast and fast. As a driver, I felt every tenth, hundredth of second mattered at the track and love shaving time. Also to add, love how it sound! Literally, need to put it on Sports mode and get that exhaust crackle. After driving the Supra whole day I drove 86 home and dear god... I love how nimble it was. Supra might have double of torque and you can feel that POWA... but 86 is over 600lbs lighter and that weight is noticeable. MT on 86 is excellent especially kouki model w shorter ratio match perfectly w low hp. After driving TRD 86, I literally consider trading my old BRZ and buy new 86 or BRZ.

At the end of the day, it's up to your taste and what you want from the car.

With that said, if Toyota do bring out 4 cyl (B48) w MT AND could shave another 200~300lbs, I'll gladly trade my car.

[nikitopo]

As mentioned before: