Twins vs 2015 z06

[thill]

Buy the Vette. But buy it a few years used from an old guy who never abused it and was his garage queen.

[makesdrivingfunagain]

I think the corvette is an ultra fixed up FR-S... It just weighs more and makes a lot more power from the factory. We should tell Scion and Subaru there is a market for this. Nissan makes a 100k GTR, Chevrolet makes a 100k Corvette, Dodge makes a Viper, Ford made the GT. The theme seems to be a "middle class" car company making world class sports cars with a high hp/weight ratio that can handle the power. You probably could purchase a 100k mustang these days. I think people would purchase a 80 or 100k world class Scion/BRZ. Make the FR-S/BRZ a similar power to weight (as the above vehicles), brakes, wheels, chassis reinforcement,suspension, etc. and while your at it take a couple hundred lbs. off. Or we can have a tuner make one, what is that Mustang company, Saleen, Steeda or Roush? Don't they just take mustangs and fix them up and charge tens of thousands over sticker?

[totopo]

Originally Posted by makesdrivingfunagain

I think the corvette is an ultra fixed up FR-S...

HAHAHAHA, what do they have in common? 4 wheels? 2 doors? rear wheel drive?

Laguna Seca, USA (3602 m)
2. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1:33.70 '08 647 / 1530 Randy Pobst
5. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 1:34.43 '11 512 / 1394
22. Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 1:38.28 132 '14 461 / 1577 Randy Pobst
83. Subaru BRZ 1:51.30 117 '12 200 / 1220 Randy Pobst

There are big difference between tuner car and oem which makes in almost not worth comparing. reliability, warranty, safety, blend of creature comforts (ac, radio, NVH)

You want big hp and reliable in a twin? best bet is probably engine swap a chevy engine
Now you need a reliable transmission to handle the power
Now you need a reliable diff and hub

By the time you are done w everything, probably just spent a crap ton of money making a crappy c7 with worse wheelbase and worse suspension geometry and worse frame

brz c7
Wheelbase 101.2 " 106.7 "
Front track 59.8 " 63.0 "
Rear track 60.6 " 61.7 "

[Drift&Drag]

Originally Posted by Acree

No... no no no no no no. You cannot. I specifically sold my BRZ because of this reason.

I agree. It cannot be done. A modded FRS/BRZ would not be better than a stock z06.

[makesdrivingfunagain]

http://www.2014newcorvette.com/corvette-history/


The Corvette started with 150 hp motor 6 cylinder automatic, according to the above link. They have had 60 years to figure this out, 60 years. Isn't this one of the longest running sports cars in the world?


It is a fantastic, incredible car!!! I may buy one someday... I think they have made nearly 1.5 million according to this article. Much respect to the Corvette!


I think the Nissan GTR came out in 2008 and competed with this car give or take, I think it was about the same price. Money changes cars... Make a 80, 90, or 100k FR-S from the factory and see what happens.




At least as a drivers car made it here
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaS7n6qKQe4"]World's Greatest Drag Race 2! - YouTube[/ame]




What you see is a Camaro, and a Mustang on steroids competing here as well as other super cars. Put some steroids on the FR-S/BRZ (BRZ in this video), it could keep up. However, this assumes you will have to do much re-engineering from the base model. However, isn't that what some of these did, say the Camaro, Mustang and maybe one or two others.. Just my silly ideas.


Up the price by 50k and magic happens.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

It takes more than a higher pricetag. It's doable for companies like Chevy and Ford not just to make it but to charge what they charge, because they have a loyal fanbase that will do it... along with the numbers to make its production cost a reasonable amount. The Camaro gets its motors from the Corvette, pretty much, so the sharing of those engines helps reduce costs. So it's not just more money being thrown at the car.


The twins don't have that luxury. Would it get better with more money? Of course. But maybe not to the extent that you are expecting.

[makesdrivingfunagain]

I think Toyota has some Nascar and Formula one racing experience. I thought they were fromt engine rear wheel drive. They probably would have some quality data they could donate. I think they have a bit of practice and engineering databases from the Supra they may be able to share. They have so much information.


I am not sure if we would be able to take an STI engine and trans platform and make it fit into the FR-S/BRZ. If the STI makes 300 or so HP from the factory for, 80-100k we could get 400 or so HP. Then we could lose a few hundred lbs. somewhere.


I think (qualifier) Toyota and Subaru are competent enough to make a Corvette challenging "FR-S" for 80-100k.

[BadBRZ]

Umm well, take a twin, boost it with your basic full blown kit and supporting mods... And yes it destroys the zo6 in almost everything

[Chad11491]

Originally Posted by BadBRZ

Umm well, take a twin, boost it with your basic full blown kit and supporting mods... And yes it destroys the zo6 in almost everything

The z06 would still be faster in nearly every way. I love the twins, but let's not get carried away. That'd be like slapping twin turbos on a 370z and saying hurdur, I've got a gtr. It's not.

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by BadBRZ

Umm well, take a twin, boost it with your basic full blown kit and supporting mods... And yes it destroys the zo6 in almost everything

Except driveability, comfort, reliability, quality, aesthetics, serviceability, warranty, prestige, etc. I guess it is all about what you consider "better".

[STV3]

Originally Posted by BadBRZ

Umm well, take a twin, boost it with your basic full blown kit and supporting mods... And yes it destroys the zo6 in almost everything

Um no

[inertia]

Originally Posted by Atropine

With all that said...if you do this Twin+30k of mods idea...

I wanna see pics and a build thread!

See below:

Originally Posted by Guff

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60407

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...nother-2JZ-FRS

[BadBRZ]

Originally Posted by STV3

Um no

Obviosly you've never driven a 400+ whp ft86

[DeeezNuuuts83]

So I assume you have driven a 2015 Z06?