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Old 03-22-2016, 07:10 AM   #897
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A: For MY17, the iA, iM and FR-S will remain monospec and a single price. After that, we will evaluate how pricing for those vehicles as Toyotas will be carried out. Regarding Pure Process Plus, it’s specific to Scion so it won’t be available at Toyota dealers.
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Makes me think that the decision to "86" (hah, see what I did there?) Scion came after the 2017MY supply chain purchases/plans had been finalized. Not sure how far in advance that is, maybe @Tcoat could estimate.
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Makes me think that the decision to "86" (hah, see what I did there?) Scion came after the 2017MY supply chain purchases/plans had been finalized. Not sure how far in advance that is, maybe @Tcoat could estimate.
Well with the disclaimer that the parts I have always been involved with were mechanical so did not usually change much between 3 or 4 model years we can still make some assumptions based on industry "norms".


Parts contracts are usually planned and contracted in 3 year segments. The contracts would included exactly how the part is to be made, all of it's specifications and precisely how many are to be provided when. The car manufactures do not want to stock 3 years worth of parts and neither do the parts suppliers. Warehoused parts are losing money fast.


For the badging I would think the first contract would have run from late 2011 to MY end 2014 with the notice of retender bids going out early 2014. The next contract would run from 2-14 through the end of 2017 with the retender occurring early next year. I know we are only talking badges here so in the big picture the cost are minimal but we are talking about companies that will change suppliers over a tenth of a cent per piece price difference so timing is important.


So, we do know that originally they made the statement that the 2017s at least would remain FRS but now they have changed their mind and decided to go the 86 route. Since they already had planned to rebadge to Toyota anyway that takes all badges other than the FRS trunk badge out of the equation.


My best (educated) guess is that somebody talked to the supplier and checked on the status of FRS badge stock and received the reply of "Meh there are so few required who cares." They probably had enough for the current run and since they already make the 86 badge there is no tool up costs and they just simply make more. Doubt there were any change of contract penalties or costs associated with this since it is such a low cost and volume part. They could have decided this last week and it would have almost zero impact with the purchasing group. Mind you it could also have been decided 2 years ago and somebody just screwed up their facts about the model name in the original Scion announcement. We will never know.


Now... if they all of a sudden decided they wanted to change the bumpers, rotor, engine, seats, etc that would have cost them huge in penalties and contract changes. Those contracts, including all the changed part's details details (such as volumes) were probably planned and signed back in 2014.


Wow that was a lot to write about a three letter badge!
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Old 03-22-2016, 09:44 AM   #899
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I hope those headlights are a direct replacement I NEED THEM ON MY 2014 FRS(86?)!!! The ghosted 86 symbol. mmmmm

Please tell me those headlights with the 86 symbol made it to production and that I can have them.

I have a problem with steering wheel buttons on an 86 though. Is this car still a drivers car? at least they kept the 1980's spec cheap plastic climate control buttons. In my opinion some character in having a cheap looking (light) plastic interior but still having great quality on everything you actually touch for driving (steering wheel, gear shift, pedals, seats).
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Old 03-22-2016, 10:03 AM   #900
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Wow that was a lot to write about a three letter badge!
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I figured the badge was trivial and they could almost make that decision with near zero (ok a few weeks) notice.

I was really thinking more about them remaining monospec for 2017, which seems to imply that this was a decision made after the supply chain was set up to produce a "face lift" Scion FR-S in 2017. Had this been in the plans for quite some time, they could have introduced a tier Toyota version as they already have that in other parts of the world, but would be disruptive to the supply chain if done "last minute".
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No, like in my picture above. Basically, make the hood include everything down to below the badge. Its subtle on silver but makes a big difference (to me) on darker (and red) cars.
This is not possible anymore thanks to crash safety stuff.

I too wish the hood of our cars were more like the 2009 concept:


Some cars do seem to get away from that though such as the Porsche Macan. May have something to do with the clamshell hood.
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OH NO! That didn't help at all. In fact it make the nose even more bulbous. Was worth a shot though thanks!
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I figured the badge was trivial and they could almost make that decision with near zero (ok a few weeks) notice.

I was really thinking more about them remaining monospec for 2017, which seems to imply that this was a decision made after the supply chain was set up to produce a "face lift" Scion FR-S in 2017. Had this been in the plans for quite some time, they could have introduced a tier Toyota version as they already have that in other parts of the world, but would be disruptive to the supply chain if done "last minute".
Oh hell the monospec thing they could have changed in a minute. Not like they don't already have access to the parts. Not many (smart) suppliers penalize them for upping orders. That is more a play when orders get cut.
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I too wish the hood of our cars were more like the 2009 concept:

Some cars do seem to get away from that though such as the Porsche Macan. May have something to do with the clamshell hood.
That is a MUCH sexier front end than what wound up on the car. Some idiot looked at that and said "Hmm. Round, smooth, sort of a 60's look. Matches the lines of the rest of the car. Since it's so slow, we need to make sure the people who see it in the mirror know it's aggressive. Add some edges and corners."

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I'm so glad I got a Scion RS1.0. Probably the most aggressive looking car Toyota has released in the U.S. for quite a while. Now if it the helps the resell value of my car, I'll be a very happy man.
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I do not understand the fascination with "aggressive" looks. I guess once you get past a certain age "aggressive" just becomes stupid. They do seem to know what sells cars, though.
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I do not understand the fascination with "aggressive" looks. I guess once you get past a certain age "aggressive" just becomes stupid. They do seem to know what sells cars, though.
Heyy I'm 21, so I'm still in that "age" lol. I still want my cars to have guns and lasers on them. Now maybe when I'm older this new FRS will grow on me, but I just can't get the blob fish look out of my mind.
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I'm 37 and I love aggressive looks on cars
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Heyy I'm 21, so I'm still in that "age" lol. I still want my cars to have guns and lasers on them. Now maybe when I'm older this new FRS will grow on me, but I just can't get the blob fish look out of my mind.
I beg to differ...the new FRS will grow in a lake(with the right nutrients).
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Aggressive is the current fad, but I think it will look outdated in the future.
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