Kreissieg Exhaust

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by raul

If it has real acoustics research tied to it, it could justify the price. It just depends on how it sounds.

'worth it' is subjective i suppose. at least for me there is absolutely nothing that could ever possibly make an exhaust worth more than a turbo kit. i'm a function over form type of guy. surely there is a market for this, but it ain't guys like me.

[raul]

Originally Posted by jamesm

'worth it' is subjective i suppose. at least for me there is absolutely nothing that could ever possibly make an exhaust worth more than a turbo kit. i'm a function over form type of guy. surely there is a market for this, but it ain't guys like me.

Quite frankly, me either. But the decision behind buying a turbo kit goes beyond price. Some people don't want to give up the N/A reliability, and if he's after a specific sound that a turbo setup can't provide, to him it might be the better value if money is no object. He has a full TRD car which is insane amounts of money honestly. The BBK alone is over $7k. If I could make the 86 sound like an LFA and had his kind of budget, I'd do it in a heartbeat. It's one of the best sounding cars in the world.

[killerkid08]

can't justify this exhaust. you could get quality pieces from other reputable brands with the same sound quality. My AVO 2.5 catback, nameless overpipe frontpipe combo, and (when reinstalled) AVO UEL/ TURBo, sounds a lot better than this.

This was my "loud," "look at me," "i'm turbo'd setup" set-up before the AVO catback was intalled, and it gathered people.

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(resonated straight pipe, namless op/fp, and avo)

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by raul

Quite frankly, me either. But the decision behind buying a turbo kit goes beyond price. Some people don't want to give up the N/A reliability, and if he's after a specific sound that a turbo setup can't provide, to him it might be the better value if money is no object. He has a full TRD car which is insane amounts of money honestly. The BBK alone is over $7k. If I could make the 86 sound like an LFA and had his kind of budget, I'd do it in a heartbeat. It's one of the best sounding cars in the world.

but it would be slow. what good is noise if you're getting passed by minivans? but i get your point... some folks would rather look the part so to speak.

[raul]

Originally Posted by jamesm

but it would be slow. what good is noise if you're getting passed by minivans? but i get your point... some folks would rather look the part so to speak.

The LFA sure sounds good while being passed by a GTR. LOL

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by raul

The LFA sure sounds good while being passed by a GTR. LOL

That's very different from a sleek 2 door coupe getting passed by a V6 Camry.

[zephyr69]

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[zephyr69]

Originally Posted by Captain Insano

Sounds loud for a DD, but very good tone. Was expecting loud after listening to the vids of the other cars. I really like it. If I didn't have a wife that drove my car and hated loud exhausts I would want something that sounds just like that.

It has an electronic actuated valve to adjust the loudness. I chose Sport and F1. Sport being slightly louder than stock and F1 being the loudest.

Originally Posted by gzpermadi

saw the videos in youtube, are there any other benefits from this exhaust other than nice sound?
Maybe hp gain or weight loss?

Kreissieg told me that their exhaust will definitely result in HP gain, but theres only so much an catback can add in terms of HP. however, they do not give dyno stats because each exhaust is hand built from scratch so the gains will vary.

Originally Posted by jamesm

'worth it' is subjective i suppose. at least for me there is absolutely nothing that could ever possibly make an exhaust worth more than a turbo kit. i'm a function over form type of guy. surely there is a market for this, but it ain't guys like me.

Thanks for your comment. I understand your logic. However, for me this car is a long term project. Just because I purchased this exhaust, doesn't mean I won't upgrade the performance of this car. I am just waiting on reliable/proven NA tunes..seems like its gonna be awhile still haha.

[Gardus@Supersprint]

That's a lot of money... I calculated a possible list price for a valved muffler, direct pipe when the valve is open, as quiet as our homologated system when close.
Excluding the valve (the likes of QTP including the switch cost around $ 200/250) it would cost around € 1300--> $ 1.800
That's without the tailpipes, € 330, but you can use the stock ones...

[Superhatch]

Originally Posted by zephyr69

Kreissieg told me that their exhaust will definitely result in HP gain, but theres only so much an catback can add in terms of HP. however, they do not give dyno stats because each exhaust is hand built from scratch so the gains will vary.

Almost all of the higher quality exhausts I know of are all "hand built" using a jig. This ensures that while the exhaust welds are all done by hand, there is some repeat-ability in the design so one exhaust is not SO different from another. I can't imagine that Kreissieg is any different. At the very least they would be building as per a drawing which would ensure -some- semblance of a repeatable product.

My assumption can only be that they either A. Don't care about power, B. Know it's low/average and don't want that to scare off customers. Their main selling point is sound, so it's possible it's both. The design is not so different from one exhaust to another to greatly affect the outcome of any dyno testing.

[Gardus@Supersprint]

Originally Posted by Superhatch

Almost all of the higher quality exhausts I know of are all "hand built" using a jig. This ensures that while the exhaust welds are all done by hand, there is some repeat-ability in the design so one exhaust is not SO different from another. I can't imagine that Kreissieg is any different. At the very least they would be building as per a drawing which would ensure -some- semblance of a repeatable product.

My assumption can only be that they either A. Don't care about power, B. Know it's low/average and don't want that to scare off customers. Their main selling point is sound, so it's possible it's both. The design is not so different from one exhaust to another to greatly affect the outcome of any dyno testing.

I totally agree.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, they don't have a dyno at the factory.
Any claim of power gain with a catback on the GT86 is science fiction.
Not even a straight pipe will give more than 3-4 hp.

[zephyr69]

Originally Posted by Superhatch

Almost all of the higher quality exhausts I know of are all "hand built" using a jig. This ensures that while the exhaust welds are all done by hand, there is some repeat-ability in the design so one exhaust is not SO different from another. I can't imagine that Kreissieg is any different. At the very least they would be building as per a drawing which would ensure -some- semblance of a repeatable product.

My assumption can only be that they either A. Don't care about power, B. Know it's low/average and don't want that to scare off customers. Their main selling point is sound, so it's possible it's both. The design is not so different from one exhaust to another to greatly affect the outcome of any dyno testing.

Originally Posted by Gardus@Supersprint

I totally agree.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, they don't have a dyno at the factory.
Any claim of power gain with a catback on the GT86 is science fiction.
Not even a straight pipe will give more than 3-4 hp.

Superhatch and Gardus you are correct. I probably phrased it incorrectly. Instead of HP gain, it should probably be better "flow". And yes, the main purpose these types of exhaust is the unique sound it provides and not performance.

In regards to whether they have a dyno, I'm pretty sure they have one. If i remember correctly, my friend visited their factory when he was in yokohama and ordered an exhaust for his gallardo, and they gave him a brief tour where he saw a dyno. Not 100% sure a year or two ago since we had this conversation.

Anyways, KSG have always priced their products extremely high. I knew this from the beginning. Whether its really "worth" it really depends on the person. For me, I do enjoy having something quite unique for my car that can help differentiate my 86 from the others. Although the car will never sound like a supercar, I am perfectly fine with that. And I certainly expected it. It sounds quite good in my opinion, its feels way more "raw" than my JDM TRD exhaust. And being able to open/close the valve certainly makes it more usable for daily driving.

Thanks for your comments guys. If you guys have any questions regarding this exhaust. let me know and ill try to get back to you as soon as possible.

[Diode Dynamics]

Well, it's very unique and you'll probably be the only person with it for a while IMO.

If you are happy with it, that's really what matters! I don't have $4k to spend on an exhaust so I can't really say much.

I do know that KSG makes incredible products and you get what you pay for.

I'm looking forward to more opinions from Vendors who sell exhaust parts here

+1 to you for following through with it

Nick C.

[projectXTR]

Originally Posted by Gardus@Supersprint

That's a lot of money... I calculated a possible list price for a valved muffler, direct pipe when the valve is open, as quiet as our homologated system when close.
Excluding the valve (the likes of QTP including the switch cost around $ 200/250) it would cost around € 1300--> $ 1.800
That's without the tailpipes, € 330, but you can use the stock ones...

You still got my attention