Boosted BRZ/FR-S vs 997 Carrera S

[EAGLE5]

Did you say unsupportive seats? I mean I'm with you on everything but the seats. I've never sat in a comfortable Porsche. Twin seats are among the best in the business.

Oh, and I still have no intention of getting a 911, unless they come out with an all electric bahn stormer.

[Turbowned]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Did you say unsupportive seats? I mean I'm with you on everything but the seats. I've never sat in a comfortable Porsche. Twin seats are among the best in the business.

Oh, and I still have no intention of getting a 911, unless they come out with an all electric bahn stormer.

The BRZ/FR-S seats have no rake adjustment, no thigh support, no lumbar, and don't go low enough. I'm 6' 2" and this drove me absolutely nuts! The Porsche power seat has rake adjustment, is longer so affords more thigh support, and has adjustable lumbar. It's low enough that I have headroom without a helmet on, but I might steal the Recaro fixed bucket out of my MR2 for track days for more bolstering and head room.

[Jond63]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

The BRZ/FR-S seats have no rake adjustment, no thigh support, no lumbar, and don't go low enough. I'm 6' 2" and this drove me absolutely nuts! The Porsche power seat has rake adjustment, is longer so affords more thigh support, and has adjustable lumbar. It's low enough that I have headroom without a helmet on, but I might steal the Recaro fixed bucket out of my MR2 for track days for more bolstering and head room.

German cars seem well suited for those 6'+, and Japanese cars are good for those poor 5'6+ souls -- I like the fit/comfort of my FR-S perfectly, haha!

Congrats on the beautiful Porsche!

[WolfpackS2k]

Interesting. I fit in my BRZ way better than my Cayman S. I'm 6'2" 205 and wear 34 length pants. Had more than enough leg and head room in the BRZ. Cayman is about 2-3" shy of being a perfect fit for me.


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[EAGLE5]

With a helmet on me, the FRS requires I lean back a little more than I want to. I'm 6' and mostly torso. I've not sat in many Porsches, but they all had terrible seats. BMW's sport seats on the 5 series are the best I've sat in.

[Re~Mix]

Well, I think I have started myself down a slippery slope. After 280 miles in a 991 Carrera S and oogling Caymans for years, I am thinking of trading into a 2009-2012 Cayman S next winter.

Part of me thinks I will always regret selling the FRS, my first sports car (and first car!) and something truly reliable as DD, track and canyon car. I don't beat on my cars but I do drive them hard (8.5/10, i know im not chris harris). I think having a Cayman in my garage is a bit risky yes, but perhaps a fine experience I need to have.

Question is, what should I budget on the whole insurance, maintenance, repair front? I can stomach the $35-40K loan, what hidden costs am I missing.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Re~Mix

Well, I think I have started myself down a slippery slope. After 280 miles in a 991 Carrera S and oogling Caymans for years, I am thinking of trading into a 2009-2012 Cayman S next winter.

Part of me thinks I will always regret selling the FRS, my first sports car (and first car!) and something truly reliable as DD, track and canyon car. I don't beat on my cars but I do drive them hard (8.5/10, i know im not chris harris). I think having a Cayman in my garage is a bit risky yes, but perhaps a fine experience I need to have.

Question is, what should I budget on the whole insurance, maintenance, repair front? I can stomach the $35-40K loan, what hidden costs am I missing.

Ohhhh where to start. Be prepared is all I can say.

Random samples without shopping around:

2013-2014 Scion FRS Brake Rotor - Rear - Centric 120.47031



Centric 120.47031
Brake Rotor
Sale Price: $34.63
Position: Rear
Availability: (13) In Stock
Condition: New
Shipping Options: Ground
Part Number: 120.47031
Brand: Centric
Notes: Premium Disc-Preferred -- Std & Hi Brake Pkg


Brake rotor - front, right - OE Porsche Our Price: $185.88



Fits 911 98-on (996/997); Boxster S (986/987); Cayman S

[EAGLE5]

Clearly maintenance is only slightly more expensive on the Porsche.

Really, at some point, everybody should own an expensive, wide-tired German car. Then, after a couple of years, you can regret not owning an FR-S. Replacing the suspension bushings on my 550i would have run something like $2k, and that's not counting the periodic oil leaks that take at least $1k to fix. One wheel was something like $300 to replace, and I tried to source a used one. Meanwhile, I've bought an entire set of OEM FR-S wheels with tires for less.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Clearly maintenance is only slightly more expensive on the Porsche.

Really, at some point, everybody should own an expensive, wide-tired German car. Then, after a couple of years, you can regret not owning an FR-S. Replacing the suspension bushings on my 550i would have run something like $2k, and that's not counting the periodic oil leaks that take at least $1k to fix. One wheel was something like $300 to replace, and I tried to source a used one. Meanwhile, I've bought an entire set of OEM FR-S wheels with tires for less.

I considered going the Porsche route before getting the FRS and even found a nice one that was well within my price range. Then I started researching upkeep costs because of the miles I drive and holy crap! I dropped that idea in a hurry. It is almost the poster child for the whole "you gotta pay to play" cliché.

[Re~Mix]

I'm not naive, I know a car with an original MSRP of ~$60K is going to merit more expensive repairs. It also packs roughly 300HP which is a big step up from the FR-S, and simply put; it takes everything the FR-S does well, and makes it better.

I want to budget for the real ownership cost, not the purchase price.

[jvincent]

You know what they say, if you have to ask, you can't afford it.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Re~Mix

I'm not naive, I know a car with an original MSRP of ~$60K is going to merit more expensive repairs. It also packs roughly 300HP which is a big step up from the FR-S, and simply put; it takes everything the FR-S does well, and makes it better.

I want to budget for the real ownership cost, not the purchase price.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLP-HCcX9as"]The 450 HP Crawford Performance Turbo BRZ - /TUNED - YouTube[/ame]

He says that it's better than a 997, and a corvette... I would imagine that a fully built motor would still put you in below the cost of the first for sure and probably the latter too.

Jaden

[TemeCal]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ohhhh where to start. Be prepared is all I can say.

Random samples without shopping around:

2013-2014 Scion FRS Brake Rotor - Rear - Centric 120.47031



Centric 120.47031
Brake Rotor
Sale Price: $34.63
Position: Rear
Availability: (13) In Stock
Condition: New
Shipping Options: Ground
Part Number: 120.47031
Brand: Centric
Notes: Premium Disc-Preferred -- Std & Hi Brake Pkg


Brake rotor - front, right - OE Porsche Our Price: $185.88



Fits 911 98-on (996/997); Boxster S (986/987); Cayman S

Not trying to stir things up, but your post is a bit deceiving. You compared a generic "Centric REAR" rotor to an OEM FRONT rotor. If you really want to compare the two, you should use the same rotors and same location.

Centric rears for a 2010 Cayman S, are $39.99 (per AutoAnything.com). I switched over to a Cayman S, and haven't found maintenance items to be too much more expensive.

I was supercharged (in my FR-S), and the more frequent oil changes, more costly rotors and pads, etc... were more expensive than maintenance on my Cayman.

I guess my point is, is that the added costs due to supercharging, really isn't too much different than owning a Cayman.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by TemeCal

Not trying to stir things up, but your post is a bit deceiving. You compared a generic "Centric REAR" rotor to an OEM FRONT rotor. If you really want to compare the two, you should use the same rotors and same location.

Centric rears for a 2010 Cayman S, are $39.99 (per AutoAnything.com). I switched over to a Cayman S, and haven't found maintenance items to be too much more expensive.

I was supercharged (in my FR-S), and the more frequent oil changes, more costly rotors and pads, etc... were more expensive than maintenance on my Cayman.

I guess my point is, is that the added costs due to supercharging, really isn't too much different than owning a Cayman.

Ya, I know. I even stated "random samples without shopping around". f course you can make either car as costly or as cheap to operate as you wish but on average the operating costs of the Porsche is going to greatly exceed most Twins.