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View Poll Results: How many 86 owners are planning on getting the Supra?
I'm definitely getting one 27 13.57%
I might get one if they offer a MT 77 38.69%
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Old 07-15-2019, 11:43 PM   #1331
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Dude! That is the very definition of supply and demand.
They are businesses so why not boost the price if people will pay if? If Toyota put it out for $100K they would just sell it for $130K so upping the MSuggestedRP wouldn't change anything. Contrary to popular beleif the dealers have to buy their stock outright. They do not have free cars (to them) sitting there that they pay for when there is a buyer. If they didn't sell any and the dealers had to drop the price to $30K to get them off their lot then they would take the loss. Nobody would whine if that happened though. If the dealers have buyers at that price then good for them for asking it.
You missed it. Read it again or check out post 1328 for clarification.

I said the lack of supply driving the price up isn’t what I care about. Toyota can make as little or as much as they want. It isn’t that I am whining about Toyota supplying few models, giving dealers the means to jack up the price. It isn’t about someone else making money or making the entry price high for other buyers. It is more of a personal annoyance. Just venting and whining about the situation because it just is so odd.

Like I said in the other post, it is odd that manufacturers don’t raise the price. I said MSRP because I don’t know what they call the dealer’s invoice price of the car; the price they pay for the car. If they raised that and/or advertised a higher price for initial models or something then that would seem logical. It also is odd that there aren’t safeguards like other manufacturers put into place with other products, which I guess is done to protect their product or brand image. Maybe in this case it doesn’t matter to them. Still seems illogical, which irks me.

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Iíve never been one to stand in line for a new phone, new game console, new anything that commands stupid prices. Itís a waste of money IMO. I would buy new if I could afford it but not at elevated prices.

All the power to those that want to be first with a new toy. Itís good for the economy.
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Just a subjective opinion, but it's Chris Harris' opinion:

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Surprised he said alpine and m2 comp and not cayman.
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Surprised he said alpine and m2 comp and not cayman.
I'm not. I've had friends that picked the 86 over the Cayman. Cayman is faster and does everything technically exceptionally well, but it can be perceived as quite boring and uninvolving for daily use.

Many have picked the Supra over the M2/4 simply cuz those are less refined for daily driving and feel less balanced, etc. And the Alpine isn't even available here, but if it were I'd take one plus a Supra over the price of one 911 anyday.

Also, when was any generation of Supra the 'Halo' car for Toyota/Lexus? Maybe for kids who watch bad movies. The 2JZ has been in everything from a Cressida to an IS300. In what world does Chris Harris think a $50k sports coupe from Toyota is meant to displace the LFA, LS, or LC as Toyota's flagship products? Dollar for dollar after inflation, the new Supra is even cheaper than the A80 was when it was released originally.

I think there's quite a bit of reality distortion field around the Supra name.
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I think there's quite a bit of reality distortion field around the Supra name.
This.
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IDK about distorted reality, here in AU the top Jap cars from the 80's and 90's were/are still the Supra and the Skyline.

These were the cars I watched race in the 80's and 90's.

These are the cars that for the last 30 years have been getting modified and raced on the track and street in every state of Australia.

Maybe it's different in other countries, but here, the Supra was the pinical for a Toyota performance car, albeit did lack any real support from Toyota in our racing series, that didn't stop people putting big singles on and winding up the boost, nothing local, read: V8, had a hope in hell of keeping up with them.

As for the LFA, LOL, 1st released in 2010, the last Toyota Supra was released in 2002 I believe, 8 years later, and as there was no Supra, yes, the LFA was the "new" pinical car.

As for F&F, the movie was released in 2001, at the end of the Supras life.

Maybe it's because some countries have only been able to import them over the last 10-15 years, and only relate them with the movie.

As for the BMW Supra, it ain't no Toyota Supra, I doubt that people will be talking about the Mk5 in 18 years.

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These are the cars that for the last 30 years have been getting modified and raced on the track and street in every state of Australia.
I think that's the important part.
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I think that's the important part.
Isn't it always
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I'm not. I've had friends that picked the 86 over the Cayman. Cayman is faster and does everything technically exceptionally well, but it can be perceived as quite boring and uninvolving for daily use.
Ah, here we go again. The best driver's car for under $100k (USD) can be perceived as boring....
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Also, when was any generation of Supra the 'Halo' car for Toyota/Lexus? Maybe for kids who watch bad movies. The 2JZ has been in everything from a Cressida to an IS300. In what world does Chris Harris think a $50k sports coupe from Toyota is meant to displace the LFA, LS, or LC as Toyota's flagship products? Dollar for dollar after inflation, the new Supra is even cheaper than the A80 was when it was released originally.

I think there's quite a bit of reality distortion field around the Supra name.
The Supra would never be the Halo car for a Lexus. No Toyota model would be. That's why they have separate brands with separate dealers.
It doesn't matter if it was not considered the "halo" car or "flagship" car before. It is now with the MKV.

In the US, yes the 2JZ was also on the IS300. But in GE form. The mk4 Supra came with the GTE & the V160 - much better.

The F&F movies hyped it up for a lot of people. But they also had Eclipses and Evos in those first 2 movies, also the R34.
The 2JZ is even more popular today not because of the movie, but because it's a proven engine, has almost unlimited capability, and tons of support. You don't see people meme-ing "put a 4G63 in it" the way they say "put a 2JZ in it".


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As for the BMW Supra, it ain't no Toyota Supra, I doubt that people will be talking about the Mk5 in 18 years.

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If automotive enthusiasts are still a thing, the MKV will still be a thing.

As much support that is coming out for this vehicle, and hype, it's unprecedented. There would have to be major cultural shift in the automotive scene as a whole for the MKV to not be talked about in 20 years. Especially if they put in a 6MT.


BTW, none of all this means I am a "fanboy", I'd love for it to be a Toyota powered engine just like anyone else.
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Also, when was any generation of Supra the 'Halo' car for Toyota/Lexus? Maybe for kids who watch bad movies. The 2JZ has been in everything from a Cressida to an IS300. In what world does Chris Harris think a $50k sports coupe from Toyota is meant to displace the LFA, LS, or LC as Toyota's flagship products? Dollar for dollar after inflation, the new Supra is even cheaper than the A80 was when it was released originally.

I think there's quite a bit of reality distortion field around the Supra name.
The LS has variants that have been in everything from cars to trucks. Does that mean the Corvette is not Chevyís halo car?

Also, what it is and what it could or should have been are two different things. I think you are confusing the two.
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BTW, what does everyone think of the Blue color ? White, Black, and Red are too "supra" to me, like too common I guess. I don't see too many blue mk4s... But I do like White or Black on the mk5..
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I don't think a Supra is a halo car or a halo product.
Its a flagship sports car in Toyota's lineup of 2 sports cars.....

The Nissan GTR is probably Nissan's halo car.
The Acura NSX is probably Acura's halo car.
The Lexus LFA was Lexus' halo car...but I think its the LC now.
I wouldn't put the Supra in the same class as those. GTR comes close because it used to be compete with the Supra but its a tier higher now.

Toyota's? I think it used to be the 2000GT...but nothing succeeded it.
Maybe its the Toyota Century...Ö..or Crown...but those are Japan only and fairly obscure outside of Japan.
I don't really know what Toyota's Halo car is.....
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