Toyota 86 / Scion FR-S Convertible Roadster confirmed (with photos from Long Beach)

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by Marrk

Perhaps it has already been pointed out that this article does not confirm that the turbo FA engine will be put in the BRZ.

I'm just readin' what it says.

There's no confirmation either way.

Another thing that prompted me to post this is I had a long chat with a Subaru sales manager last night (supposedly sold 18 WRX/STIs across a few dealerships last year and the dealership near me will be alotted 4 BRZs for the 7 month launch). He's a tech guy very familiar with the details on the BRZ (supposedly has mingled with BRZ engineers from Fuji Heavy at regional meetings and emails them). He's confident they'll put the turbo in; just doesn't know when Subaru will give the OK.

The reason he called me was to ask what specs I'd want if I were to pre-order (nobody has ordered yet) so I told him WRB Limited 6MT but I wanted to wait for special editions. He proceeded to talk about the turbo. Though it's speculation, it's a detriment to trying to fill his pre-order list. That says something.

[Marrk]

^^Duly noted, Switch. And thanks for that info.

[Allch Chcar]

No care, the Miata is the prince of roadsters.

Originally Posted by Harinjo

nice - but i want a 4-door 86

That is actually more what I want. I don't want a midsize level of rear seating but a few more inches in the back would be nice too.

Originally Posted by yayforaddison

I still want my hatchback

I think we're going crazy thinking about body styles.

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Technically, it's not impossible to make this hatch <2800lbs. I have several ideas to keep it somewhat low lbs (not lower than coupe, but close)

Originally Posted by Fancy

the hatch is actually a good idea too... what other hatchback cars are rear-drive in this price range? i cant think of any.... WRX is AWD, Mazda hatches are FWD...

Hatch, hatch, hatch.
They would have to keep the same engine though. The moar HP guys can buy something bigger for all I care.

Originally Posted by Deslock

RX8

Only if you want a Rotary. I actually compared getting a BMW vs a RX8. I don't want either one...

[DIG1992]

the rendering dosent look that bad but im all for the coupe

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

No care, the Miata is the prince of roadsters.



That is actually more what I want. I don't want a midsize level of rear seating but a few more inches in the back would be nice too.



I think we're going crazy thinking about body styles.





Hatch, hatch, hatch.
They would have to keep the same engine though. The moar HP guys can buy something bigger for all I care.



Only if you want a Rotary. I actually compared getting a BMW vs a RX8. I don't want either one...

Agreed the Miata is the prince or princess of roadsters. Let's hope the next generation is badd asssed! Lets face it the Miata has gotten a bit bloated and soft over the years. Still a fun car though. Maybe the skyactive stuff will make this car into something else.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

Agreed the Miata is the prince or princess of roadsters. Let's hope the next generation is badd asssed! Lets face it the Miata has gotten a bit bloated and soft over the years. Still a fun car though. Maybe the skyactive stuff will make this car into something else.

Which is precisely why the next-gen will focus more on weight loss than power gain. Maybe a SkyActiv engine will increase power, but the few things I've read about the next-gen Miata point to weight loss to put the car back in the spirit of the NA-gen roadsters.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Which is precisely why the next-gen will focus more on weight loss than power gain. Maybe a SkyActiv engine will increase power, but the few things I've read about the next-gen Miata point to weight loss to put the car back in the spirit of the NA-gen roadsters.

I just hope it looks better and more meaner! I do want the Miata to be produced forever even though I would never buy one. It's still unique for what it is.

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by micmic

I guess "Most" of the people looking for 4 seat convertibles would be cross-shopping the FR-S with convertibles offered by Audi, Austin Martin, Bently, etc.

So, how many of those are in the same price range (<30K)? Only 8 of the 48.

I cited that list of mostly four-seat convertibles because tripjammer wrote "A 86 convertible will have to be a two seater because the top will have to go somewhere".

Originally Posted by tripjammer

I never said the RX8 was a bad car...it is just not being made anymore therefore it is dead.

Though MY2011 is it for the RX8, Harinjo wrote that he wants a 4-door 86. My point is simply that a car with similar dynamics (to a hypothetical 4-door FT86) has been around for the last 8 years, and brand-new leftovers are still available.

Originally Posted by tripjammer

Supposedly the next gen MX5 is going to have more power.

Sweet! Source?

Originally Posted by tripjammer

Anyway who said that they would keep the engine power the same when the still rumored FT86 convertible comes out? It could be rocking a 270HP turbo motor....hehe

Sure a convertible FT86 could have a turbo. I'm not optimistic such a combination would be under $30k.

Originally Posted by tripjammer

I still don't see why we keep comparing the FRS\BRZ\86 to the MX5! They are totally different cars! The only thing close is the possible pricing. Now if this rumored convertible FT86 comes out and it is a 2 seater then yeah we can compare it. But if it is a 4 seater then no way. It would be be a unique 4 seater RWD low cost convertible...if they can keep the pricing under $30k...

I agree that roadster vs 2+2 coupe are significant differences, but multiple reviews have made comparisons between the FT86 and the MX5. For lightweight and responsive RWD dynamics at a reasonable price, they appear to be the only games in town.

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

This would be incredible!

Ichitaka it is a thing of beauty.

This + Z3 M Coupe = set for life.

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Next news, they're planning to do Targa & Hatch 86



Put the joke on the side, it's interesting to see that, they're planning to make convertible. iirc, while back, I was talking bout if they gonna make convertible or not

On the off-chance anyone from Toyota/Subaru is reading this (is that you, Akio?) please build this.

[tripjammer]

Looks good as a 2 seat roadster!

[blur]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

Looks good as a 2 seat roadster!

Can't wait to see it drift.

[maxeveland]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

Looks good as a 2 seat roadster!

+1 that is an awesome picture

[yayforaddison]

Im actually a bit worried to buy the 86 and then come to find out they want to make a nice 3 door hatch. They better let me know before I go to the dealer!