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Old 02-26-2019, 02:55 PM   #43
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Always the same excuse for getting an auto.......TRAFFIC
Yeah the traffic thing is blown out of proportion. I manage stop and go by keeping a little extra distance and roll along in first gear, never needing the clutch or brake at all. My foot says on one pedal the whole time rather then moving back and forth between the throttle and brake like all the autos around me. In first you can idle down to about 3mph and all the way up to about 16mph without buzzing like boy racer. When you get into the traffic where it's primarily stopped with an occasional clutch bump to move 1ft it can get annoying but not enough to throw out all the fun you get when not in traffic.
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I could drive it home that day vs paying $9k more and waiting 6-8 weeks for delivery of an MT car.
This right here is why the option for a manual is going away. People are incredibly impulsive when buying cars. They go to the dealer with intentions of buying a manual but they don't have one on the lot so people settle for the auto and then go down in history as someone who chose AT over MT. They really need to track the number of times this happens rather then just mark it off as a score for AT. Also it seems like supply and demand doesn't apply to AT vs MT. So many times I have talked to salesmen and they tell me that as soon as they get an MT on the lot they disappear. Well then freaking put more on the lots idiots.
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$9k less than the MSRP of one with a MT or $9k less than the best negotiated price of one with a MT? Many on this forum have bought new MT Premium BRZs for $24-25k and MT Limited PP BRZs for $26-27k. It’s hard to imagine that they sold you a brand new AT BRZ for $9k less than that... It’s also likely that they could trade with another lot to get a MT car faster than 6-8 weeks or you could just buy from a different lot.
Yes, some performance gap can be made up by throwing money at the AT car and swapping parts... but I for one would still prefer a MT even if the performance were identical. The MT is just more involving and fun IMO, especially in a small 4 cylinder car like this.
As you said though... to each their own.
Exactly, they do this all the time. Of course they will initially act like they can't because they know how easy people cave. I've seen them pretend to look at inventory at other dealers and then claim no one has an MT when in reality they just went to porthub.com for a few minutes.
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The claim to fame is that the ATs are faster due to shift time but in this example both drivers just don't know how to launch. Almost the entire time discrepancy was made up in the 60ft time. Of course this doesn't apply to the Twins. The AT on the Twin is beat off the line even by a toddler in an MT.
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Yeah the traffic thing is blown out of proportion. I manage stop and go by keeping a little extra distance and roll along in first gear, never needing the clutch or brake at all. .
Definitely agree with this. I've driven enough miles in an MT over the years that it basically is automatic. I drove a manual MR2 for 4 years in DC traffic and never thought once "hey, this would be easier with a MT".
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..The AT on the Twin is beat off the line even by a toddler in an MT.
Actually, I'd take that bet. I'm pretty sure I could beat a toddler off the line. Maybe not a competent driver, but the toddler's going down!
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The AT on the Twin is beat off the line even by a toddler in an MT.

Good to know!



Though, I NEVER race toddlers in my AT.
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Though, I NEVER race toddlers in my AT.
I suggest you don't. :P
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I suggest you don't. :P



Oh, I don't. Been driving my AT for 6.5 years. Never Raced anyone in it.


I race a 450R ATV. It's my thing...
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This right here is why the option for a manual is going away. People are incredibly impulsive when buying cars. They go to the dealer with intentions of buying a manual but they don't have one on the lot so people settle for the auto and then go down in history as someone who chose AT over MT. They really need to track the number of times this happens rather then just mark it off as a score for AT. Also it seems like supply and demand doesn't apply to AT vs MT. So many times I have talked to salesmen and they tell me that as soon as they get an MT on the lot they disappear. Well then freaking put more on the lots idiots.

If they'd had a PP MT in the color I wanted on the lot, or there had to be the reasonable possibility of getting one from another dealership /in this State/, I would have probably bought that instead even at a higher price. It was the wait that bothered me more than anything. I didn't impulsively purchase my car, but once I'd made the decision to buy it was just a business transaction I wanted to get out of the way so I could go have fun driving. I did my 1000 mile break-in in 2 weeks.


FWIW, I had already examined available inventory online at a number of dealers, as well as using aggregated search tools. It's possible I missed something, but as far as I was aware in the color I wanted at that moment in time there were 2 cars in the state. I'm not really sure /why/ it was so hard to find, but there it was. I could have gotten a Toyota 86 860SE instead, but I didn't like the stripe and it didn't have anything close to what I could get with the PP. In the end, I decided I'd prefer the BRZ over the 86, given I couldn't get PP either way in the color I wanted.


I took the money I saved and I put aftermarket mods on that were superior to the PP anyway. Given my experience now, I don't actually have any issues on track with the AT, other than the lack of torque due to the longer gearing. In manual shift mode, it shifts faster than I could do a stick anyway, and it operates essentially like a sequential. It's actually a /very/ good AT. I'll be swapping in a 4.88 FD at some point, which will more than make up any gearing differences in lower gears where it matters.
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When I bought my first FRS back in 2013, the Toyota dealership had a white one with a manual and a black one with an auto. At the time, I didn't know how to drive a manual, so I just went with the auto. I remember being too eager to get a new car and also too scared to purchase a car without knowing how to drive a manual (stalling is pretty scary as a beginner). I'm guessing that a good amount of young buyers with an auto may have had a similar experience at the dealership.

The "slower" cars are always more fun with a manual
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If they'd had a PP MT in the color I wanted on the lot, or there had to be the reasonable possibility of getting one from another dealership /in this State/, I would have probably bought that instead even at a higher price. It was the wait that bothered me more than anything. I didn't impulsively purchase my car, but once I'd made the decision to buy it was just a business transaction I wanted to get out of the way so I could go have fun driving. I did my 1000 mile break-in in 2 weeks.


FWIW, I had already examined available inventory online at a number of dealers, as well as using aggregated search tools. It's possible I missed something, but as far as I was aware in the color I wanted at that moment in time there were 2 cars in the state. I'm not really sure /why/ it was so hard to find, but there it was. I could have gotten a Toyota 86 860SE instead, but I didn't like the stripe and it didn't have anything close to what I could get with the PP. In the end, I decided I'd prefer the BRZ over the 86, given I couldn't get PP either way in the color I wanted.


I took the money I saved and I put aftermarket mods on that were superior to the PP anyway. Given my experience now, I don't actually have any issues on track with the AT, other than the lack of torque due to the longer gearing. In manual shift mode, it shifts faster than I could do a stick anyway, and it operates essentially like a sequential. It's actually a /very/ good AT. I'll be swapping in a 4.88 FD at some point, which will more than make up any gearing differences in lower gears where it matters.


Sorry my rant wasn’t directed at you. I was simply pointing out the auto industry’s lack of statistics on people who want a MT and end up settling for what ever reason (usually due to availability).
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They go to the dealer with intentions of buying a manual but they don't have one on the lot so people settle for the auto and then go down in history as someone who chose AT over MT. They really need to track the number of times this happens rather then just mark it off as a score for AT.
But that's exactly what they did so not sure I understand your point.

This means that these persons put it down as a "nice to have" option, no different than people that want red but pick white, want 6 cupholders but settle for 3, want manual windows but take the electric, or don't want a sunroof but take the car with one. (those last two are personal peeves).

So it wasn't a must have, and therefore isn't really a score keeping item either way.

I would also be willing the bet there are more people that "settle" for an AT than go in wanting an AT and end up taking an MT instead (or would be willing to take the MT). That would have impact on the "spec car" inventory on the lot and why manuals are harder to find just sitting there.

If the buyer REALLY wants an MT the dealer should be able to find one, or order it assuming the car still offers it. I've done that before on several cars, because I'm willing to wait for things I absolutely must have.
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